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Post by Retrospect on Aug 23, 2020 17:23:31 GMT -5
I was a big fan of this feud. Even though I was young and only have vague memories of it I do remember it being a big deal. Slaughter was such a great heel and him & Hogan gave us a pretty decent match at Mania VII. This is still one of my favorite Wrestlemanias. I might have to give this a watch later.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 23, 2020 17:43:36 GMT -5
Good feud here, Sarge and Hogan played their roles well. Never really understood the hate this feud got, wrestling always incorporated real life events into their storylines so I don't see what the issue was with this one. It maybe went on longer than it needed to, especially with the war ending sooner than thought. It would have been okay if Hogan and Warrior vs. the Triangle of Terror happened at a SNME before Summer Slam. I think it would have been great to have Hogan and Warrior vs. Undertaker and Jake the Snake with Sid as the special guest referee, I think that would have been a better main event - especially since Adnan and Sheik really couldn't go anymore due to injuries. It definitely would have set up the feuds going forward with Hogan vs. Taker and Warrior vs Jake. With Warrior being fired after Summer Slam, having Sid in the match as the ref sets him up to feud with Jake in place of Warrior - which happened anyway.
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Post by hbkjason on Aug 24, 2020 1:54:41 GMT -5
Despite not being a huge Hogan fan as a kid I was all in on this one. I freaking hated Sgt Slaughter and I mean hated him. Looking back now that is actually a massive compliment as I hated him because he played his role so well. I was so mad that he took the title off Warrior that I was really pulling for Hogan to put him in his place.
The burning of the shirt and poster was cool stuff and the storyline was pretty brutal in the things that Slaughter would do and say in general. The match at WrestleMania VII is way better than many people give it credit for. Seeing Hogan with the crimson mask, celebrating at the end was great stuff in deed. I also loved the start of this WrestleMania with the video of Hogan and Slaughter looking at each other.
Keeping this running until SummerSlam may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I liked it. The inclusion of the Warrior was more than enough to get me excited for it. Also, I am not sure who they would have put Hulk Hogan here with had his feud with Slaughter not continued. The match at SummerSlam is nowhere near as good as the match at WrestleMania which sucks to say as my guy the Warrior was in it. What pissed me off as a kid was how after the match Hogan sigles to the back and it is Sid Justice who comes out to celebrate and not the Warrior. Of course, now we all know why this happened, but as a kid it made no sense to me at all that the Warrior would not come out and celebrate with Hogan.
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Post by rateddal on Aug 24, 2020 8:24:04 GMT -5
The Summerslam match left a lot to be desired because there were 2 far more credible opponents for Hogan Warrior in Jake/Taker. Jake had already begun his feud with Warrior and Taker -Hogan should have begun earlier leading to The Gravest Challenge at Survivor Series. 2 hot feuds rather than one that had already fizzled.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 24, 2020 8:33:42 GMT -5
The Summerslam match left a lot to be desired because there were 2 far more credible opponents for Hogan Warrior in Jake/Taker. Jake had already begun his feud with Warrior and Taker -Hogan should have begun earlier leading to The Gravest Challenge at Survivor Series. 2 hot feuds rather than one that had already fizzled. I agree. I think ending the feud with the Triangle of Terror on an earlier version of SNME before Summer Slam would have been ideal. During that match you could have had Taker come to the ring or Jake and attack Hogan and Warrior basically setting up the match at Summer Slam. Jake may have had to wait because I am not sure when the last segment of him and Warrior happened when he officially turned heel. To me they could have done a good job of keeping Warrior & Jake and Hogan & Taker from interacting too much in the match, basically when Jake is in the ring his opponent is Hogan and when Taker is in the ring his opponent is Warrior. Then at the end you have Hogan and Taker tag in at the same time and we finally get a face to face meeting of these two to help set up the feud for the fall and Survivor Series. To me, Jake taking the pin from Hogan wouldn't have hurt anything as Jake I think is the only one in the match that could have survived a loss. Being pinned by Hogan doesn't hurt his feud moving forward with Warrior, plus you save Hogan/Taker for Survivor Series. Another thing they could have done was have the bad guys win, but at this time that was something I don't think Vince would do. To me, since they were going to fire Warrior anyway, he could have taken the pin from Taker which would have helped push Taker as the number 1 contender for Hogan's title. |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 25, 2020 12:25:38 GMT -5
I was thinking, they probably could have moved the KOTR tournament in 1991 from September to June or July, either make that the 1st King of the Ring PPV or do it as a SNME. Do the KOTR tournament as it was, minus the Sid/Taker match, Bret won the tournament which would have been a good push on TV getting him ready for Mr. Perfect at Summer Slam. But also have the Hogan/Warrior vs. Triangle of Terror blow off match here. At the end of the match have Taker come out and attack Warrior, then have Hogan hit Taker with a chair or something and have Taker no sell it. They could use this to build to a Summer Slam match between Hogan & Warrior vs. Taker & Jake. To fill out the KOTR/SNME card, they could have Perfect vs. Bulldog for the IC title (they were wrestling at the house shows at this time) and the Rockers vs. the Nasty Boys for the Tag Team Titles (these two teams could have put on a good match). Just a thought.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 25, 2020 14:59:23 GMT -5
I was thinking, they probably could have moved the KOTR tournament in 1991 from September to June or July, either make that the 1st King of the Ring PPV or do it as a SNME. Do the KOTR tournament as it was, minus the Sid/Taker match, Bret won the tournament which would have been a good push on TV getting him ready for Mr. Perfect at Summer Slam. But also have the Hogan/Warrior vs. Triangle of Terror blow off match here. At the end of the match have Taker come out and attack Warrior, then have Hogan hit Taker with a chair or something and have Taker no sell it. They could use this to build to a Summer Slam match between Hogan & Warrior vs. Taker & Jake. To fill out the KOTR/SNME card, they could have Perfect vs. Bulldog for the IC title (they were wrestling at the house shows at this time) and the Rockers vs. the Nasty Boys for the Tag Team Titles (these two teams could have put on a good match). Just a thought. Really like the sound of this. It's a shame they never filmed those KOTR events. |
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Post by The Brain on Aug 30, 2020 15:17:43 GMT -5
Jim Cornette vs Paul E. Dangerously These two loud mouths would cross paths in late 88 on an episode of Saturday Night in which the Midnight Express would be attacked by the original Express led by Paul E in a vicious attack.Corny was a bloody mess! Great start to this feud.Selling as well being top notch. With that the feud got off on the right foot with Cornette and his Express vowing revenge... The big showdown would happen at Starrcade that year in which Cornette's Express would pick up the win.Fantastic match here and another reason why I'll always love 80s tag wrestling. Following this though the feud would quickly take a turn as booker at the time Jim Crockett Jr. wasn't a fan of Randy Rose who felt he just didnt fit in no more.With that the two teams were booked for a loser leaves town match at Chi-Town Rumble that February. Jack Victory replaced Dennis Condrey in this match as he decided to stay at home frustrated with the way they were gonna end the team here.In the end Cornette's Express would prevail again with Rose taking the fall(shocking!) to end this part of the feud that had a lot of promise but in the end fell apart.These two would continue to be at each other throats in the coming months though with the final blowoff taking place at GAB that July in a ''tuxedo match'' in which you gotta rip off your opponents tux to win the match.Cornette would win this one to put this feud to bed. Overall...Strong feud here for if nothing else the promos as both guys both excelled in that department.Looing back it was weird seeing Corny in the babyface role but somehow he made it work during this thing. I'm glad he turned back to his natural heel self not long after this though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 1:09:50 GMT -5
Jim Cornette to this day still talks about the feud. He says that only Paul E could have made him a babyface. Cornette still has the bloody white jacket in his office!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 10:06:30 GMT -5
I love that promo in the second video. Nobody on today’s wwe roster cuts a better promo. Nobody!
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 31, 2020 12:32:58 GMT -5
Why did they turn the Midnight Express with Cornette babyfaces? I know they just lost the Horsemen, Tully and Arn, were they needing a new top team and thought these guys would be better as baby faces?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 12:40:49 GMT -5
Why did they turn the Midnight Express with Cornette babyfaces? I know they just lost the Horsemen, Tully and Arn, were they needing a new top team and thought these guys would be better as baby faces? Maybe they just thought the Midnights and Cornette would be interesting as baby faces and they were getting pops in certain towns. Paul E and the other midnights were a good foil. On a side note I think WWE should have turned Bobby Heenan face in the summer of 91 even for brief. A face Heenan feuding with the heel Mr Fuji would have been fun. |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 31, 2020 12:53:38 GMT -5
Why did they turn the Midnight Express with Cornette babyfaces? I know they just lost the Horsemen, Tully and Arn, were they needing a new top team and thought these guys would be better as baby faces? Maybe they just thought the Midnights and Cornette would be interesting as baby faces and they were getting pops in certain towns. Paul E and the other midnights were a good foil. On a side note I think WWE should have turned Bobby Heenan face in the summer of 91 even for brief. A face Heenan feuding with the heel Mr Fuji would have been fun. I don't know, Heenan is pure gold as a heel, don't know how that would have worked as a babyface. Also, I do remember hearing interviews from Heenan that it was at this time that he had to stop managing because his neck was in really terrible shape, he couldn't take the bumps anymore and I think he said that even people grabbing him would hurt. Pretty much after WrestleMania 7 he was done managing and switched over to commentating full time. I think Vince asked Heenan to go back out on the road as Flair's manager when he first arrived in the WWF but Heenan quit after about 2 weeks, he just couldn't do it anymore. That's when they brought in Mr. Perfect to be Flair's executive consultant. |
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Post by The Brain on Aug 31, 2020 13:34:38 GMT -5
Yeah the Express were getting cheered prior so it was for the best they turn em.Them beating Arn/Tully for the belts in Philly was the perfect place to cement the turn.We LOVED them here. As far as Bobby as a babyface?...  Heel for life. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 14:06:29 GMT -5
Yeah the Express were getting cheered prior so it was for the best they turn em.Them beating Arn/Tully for the belts in Philly was the perfect place to cement the turn.We LOVED them here. As far as Bobby as a babyface?... Heel for life. You wouldn’t want to cheer him? |
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Post by The Brain on Aug 31, 2020 14:13:37 GMT -5
I was already cheering for him in the heel role.I'd be booing if they turned him face lol
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Post by alexxx on Sept 1, 2020 5:52:01 GMT -5
Could you please do the feud between Doink the Clown and Crush
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Post by The Brain on Sept 1, 2020 13:05:09 GMT -5
Could you please do the feud between Doink the Clown and Crush You got it! Coming up on the CFD...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 13:08:43 GMT -5
Could you please do the feud between Doink the Clown and Crush I actually loved this feud so I’m looking forward to the write up. |
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Post by The Brain on Sept 2, 2020 19:01:27 GMT -5
Doink The Clown vs Crush  Doink would enter the Federation in late 92 and right off the bat we knew what kind of clown he was.An evil one who like to make kids cry.He would also prank the wrestlers from tripping up Bob Backlund with banana peels to putting a kick me sign on Lance Cassidy's jacket.One guy in particular who wasnt fond of these actions was Crush who confronted the clown on an episode of Superstars in early 93. Doink would respond a week later with his ''arm'' in a sling to apologize to the big man about his actions with him offering up a flower. When Crush took the flower and gave it to a fan bam! Doink would strike and hit the Hawaii native in the back of the head with the loaded arm many times. This would push Crush out of the Rumble. Great stuff here and a job well done in making Doink a vicious heel. Over the course of the next several months we would see Crush in his homeland crushing pineapples vowing revenge.With that the showdown was set for Mania IX in Vegas.Crush had everything in control but in the end Doink pulled a David Copperfield with another Doink appearing costing him the match.Bobby on commentary putting this over was gold. From there the feud would die down a bit with Doink trying his hand in getting in the KOTR tournament while Crush would set his sights on the IC belt and HBK at the event.Crush would end up losing that thanks to again double vision with 2 Doinks coming down distracting him leading to his downfall.Crush having enough of this fought Doink one more time that July on Sperstars. This time he would win the match by count out but once again would fall victim to double vision.Doink would get the last laugh in this feud thats for sure. Overall...Heel Doink here so instant thumbs up from me.It was great to see them finally give him direction after all the pranks with him doing that vicious attack being an awesome way to set up his first feud.And the question still stands all these years later....Is Doink David Copperfield??!!The magic he could do man I'll tell ya.
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