Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Dec 23, 2020 23:49:28 GMT -5
Tremendous feud. Paul doesn't always get mentioned when people talk about best Hogan feuds but he should. I've seen shoot interviews from other wrestlers and its been said that they sold out arenas everywhere they went. Paul was tremendous, and just like Piper, he definitely could have held the WWF title well during this time, obviously not for long as Hogan was the clear top guy, but he definitely could have held the belt for a few months and dropped it back to Hogan before WM3. He doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough in general. I personally think he’s one of the best to lace a pair of boots. Orndorff is way before my time, but my dad had the Greatest Superstars of the 80's DVD and I always used to watch his matches. I think the reason he doesn't get mentioned is because he's basically been out of the spotlight for decades at this point. He doesn't get paraded out with the legends during old school Raw, he didn't get a nostalgia run like Hogan and Piper because of injuries, and WWE doesn't really talk about anything pre WM III. Its a shame really, because Orndorff is awesome. |
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Post by rateddal on Dec 24, 2020 5:56:35 GMT -5
Tremendous feud. Paul doesn't always get mentioned when people talk about best Hogan feuds but he should. I've seen shoot interviews from other wrestlers and its been said that they sold out arenas everywhere they went. Paul was tremendous, and just like Piper, he definitely could have held the WWF title well during this time, obviously not for long as Hogan was the clear top guy, but he definitely could have held the belt for a few months and dropped it back to Hogan before WM3. He doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough in general. I personally think he’s one of the best to lace a pair of boots. Or don a pair of slippers if you asked Vader. Bad ass dude. |
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Post by hbkjason on Dec 24, 2020 6:47:23 GMT -5
Another great read buddy, he was so good at his role. A true classic 80s bad guy and a believable threat to Hogan.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 24, 2020 10:26:54 GMT -5
Paul def. deserves a lot more credit. Maybe if he had been with WWF in the early 90s instead of WWF he would be mentioned more but I think his style was more fit to WCW. But I always though he was great at everything he could do. Not many guys can just walk to the ring to their opponents song and get heat.
I think he and Hogan could have headlined a 93,000 crowd Wrestlemania. I imagine most who attended Big Event were from the general area (Canada, maybe Michigan and surrounding states if that) while people travel all over for Wrestlemania. Remember Big Event was a basic house show in a stadium so not like a whole lot of advertisement went into it like a PPV.
The only thing I think could have been changed for the better is a non finish in the cage match meaning that no one knew if Hogan really won so the feud had to be extended. Obviously the feud needed to be finished so Hulk could move to Andre.
I think Paul was a better heel than he was a face and I bet he thinks the same. I wonder if he had stayed heel if he would have stuck around in WWF. Maybe more feuds for him but tough call. You have more interesting faces coming in like Bam Bam or getting hot like Brutus and Jake but then you have more interesting heels debuting like Rude or Dibiase who would soon come into their own.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 24, 2020 11:25:08 GMT -5
I'm not shamed to say this theme is in my top 10 of all time
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Post by PJ on Dec 24, 2020 13:46:29 GMT -5
I'm not shamed to say this theme is in my top 10 of all time I am pretty sure I mentioned this here before (sometime over the past 5-6 months) but that’s the song that plays in my head when I look in the mirror. If it wasn’t here then it was definitely in a conversation with my wife and daughter recently. lol Hell, when this pic was taken it was the song playing in my head. lol  |
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 24, 2020 15:13:22 GMT -5
Excellent write up. I’ve seen a couple of matches but was never sure of the origins. I’ve seen the partner hits partner done so many times, but there was something magical about the way Hogan collided with Orndorff. Never really seen All American from that era but found it quite funny that you got to see footage from the locker room too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 21:45:27 GMT -5
I'm not shamed to say this theme is in my top 10 of all time Mine too! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 21:49:04 GMT -5
Tremendous feud. Paul doesn't always get mentioned when people talk about best Hogan feuds but he should. I've seen shoot interviews from other wrestlers and its been said that they sold out arenas everywhere they went. Paul was tremendous, and just like Piper, he definitely could have held the WWF title well during this time, obviously not for long as Hogan was the clear top guy, but he definitely could have held the belt for a few months and dropped it back to Hogan before WM3. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if Andre couldn’t go Mr Wonderful could have beaten Hogan for the belt on SNME in January and lost it back to Hogan at WM 3. A lot of casual fans would have wanted to see Hogan try to get his belt back. It would have done great ppv business. However it would probably not have been in at the Silver Dome. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Dec 25, 2020 21:56:04 GMT -5
If Andre couldn’t do Wrestlemania III then I think a good replacement would’ve Orndorff. Sure it wouldn’t have been as big as it was but it could have worked. Have a Heenan family member attack Hogan while he was climbing the cage allowing Orndorff to become the new champ, build that up then Mania comes and the Hulkster beats Paul in the Silverdome and walks out as champ.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 21:57:58 GMT -5
If Andre couldn’t do Wrestlemania III then I think a good replacement would’ve Orndorff. Sure it wouldn’t have been as big as it was but it could have worked. Have a Heenan family member attack Hogan while he was climbing the cage allowing Orndorff to become the new champ, build that up then Mania comes and the Hulkster beats Paul in the Silverdome and walks out as champ. You think Hogan vs Orndorff would have drawn a big house at Silverdome like Hogan and Andre did? I don’t know... |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Dec 25, 2020 21:58:27 GMT -5
If Andre couldn’t do Wrestlemania III then I think a good replacement would’ve Orndorff. Sure it wouldn’t have been as big as it was but it could have worked. Have a Heenan family member attack Hogan while he was climbing the cage allowing Orndorff to become the new champ, build that up then Mania comes and the Hulkster beats Paul in the Silverdome and walks out as champ. You think Hogan vs Orndorff would have drawn a big house at Silverdome like Hogan and Andre did? I don’t know... No, I meant it would’ve worked as a main event. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 22:00:28 GMT -5
Oh I agree and the PPV number would have been gigantic, but if that were the main event it likely would have been in a regular arena.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 26, 2020 0:38:09 GMT -5
If Andre couldn’t do Wrestlemania III then I think a good replacement would’ve Orndorff. Sure it wouldn’t have been as big as it was but it could have worked. Have a Heenan family member attack Hogan while he was climbing the cage allowing Orndorff to become the new champ, build that up then Mania comes and the Hulkster beats Paul in the Silverdome and walks out as champ. You think Hogan vs Orndorff would have drawn a big house at Silverdome like Hogan and Andre did? I don’t know... Could have, possibly, they did draw 70,000 fans at the Big Event in Toronto - that's pretty impressive. But, I don't think it would have been as big as Andre/Hulk, Andre was the biggest star of the past and Hogan was the biggest star of the present, I'm not sure anything could have topped that. |
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Post by The Brain on Dec 27, 2020 13:25:51 GMT -5
Coming up on the CFD...  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 19:42:43 GMT -5
Coming up on the CFD... “Randy she was MINE before she was yours woooo” |
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Post by The Brain on Dec 27, 2020 23:30:54 GMT -5
Ric Flair vs Randy Savage It was following the classic Mach/Jake feud in which these two all time greats would cross paths.Ric during this time would make accusations stating that Liz(Randy's wife at the time) was ''mine before she was his''.Flair was gold here as the instigator. I loved how just like the Jake feud prior,they made this feud personal out the gate. Randy would then respond to these allegations....Loved the intensity here This would all lead to the big showdown at WM VIII at the Hoosier Dome for the WWF Title.Instant chemistry here and in turn we got an all time classic and a match that's in my top 5 of all time. I still wanna see the picture Ric! The end result would be Randy winning his 2nd World Title in grand fashion with pyro and all.He did hold the trunks though I gotta say  Both post match interviews were great from both sides and it was just a sign that this war was far from over.Liz would leave the WWF that Spring so the feud shifted over just to who was gonna be champ when the smoke clears. True testament to Randy here as it had to be very hard for em this time with his real life divorce happening in real life.That Summer the Ultimate Warrior would be announced as the next challenge for the gold at SSlam in the UK. The whole build to this was whose side was Mr. Perfect was going to be in. Great stuff here as both him and Flair played mind games with the babyfaces. Loved the tease here with the friction it was causing. The match at SSlam was another classic between the two finish aside. The match would end by count out with Warrior winning. It was revealed that it was all a set up with both Flair/Perfect lying the whole time.I also gotta mention Randy kayfabe injuring his knee during this match with it being more in bad shape when Ric would attack it with it a chair. This would result in Flair defeating the champ on PTW right after the PPV.Savage's selling here is top notch. This would lead to the formation of the Ultimate Maniacs as they now have their sights on Flair/Perfect and their new ally Razor Ramon who played a big part in Randy losing the gold.A big showdown was set for SSeries that year but Warrior was canned from the company which led to them going in a different direction at the 11th hour. That direction would be turning Mr. Perfect babyface. Shocking moment and as much as I wasnt huge on the turn it was the best option they had. Both Savage/Perfect didnt click early on but in the end they would win the match by DQ. Following this Flair would shift over to Perfect thus ending the rivalry with Randy for now. They would pick back up in WCW in 1995.It all started when Ric would attack Mach in drag at Uncensored. This would all lead to Ric attacking Randy's father Angelo at Slamboree that year. Again going the personal route was the right choice here.This would result in a series of matches between the two that Summer at both GAB and BATB with each guy getting a win.I know the lifeguard stuff at BATB was for Baywatch but it was still stupid. The feud would holt once again until late in the year when Randy would Big Gold at WW3. This would result In Flair winning it from em at Starrcade that year with then Randy winning it back on Nitro that January and finally Ric winning it back in a cage at SuperBrawl thanks to Liz turning heel on her former husband.See I knew she couldnt resist naitch!!! The two would continue to feud into the Spring early/Summer with them ''randomly'' being chosen to be partners at Slamboree as part of lethal lottery.Flair would attack Randy before the match but somehow in the end they would win after Arn would DDT his own partner Eddy Guerrero.They would implode during the 2nd match though as Randy would get his payback by attacking Flair.Great storytelling here. This would result in the climax of the feud at GAB when it was Flair/Double A with Bobby Heenan in their corner against Mongo and Kevin Greene with Randy in their corner. The end result would be Mongo turning heel on Greene.This would be the end of the two feuding. They would have interactions in 99 when Randy was doing his ''What up Mach?'' stuff and Flair was ''President'' but yeah no feuding. Overall... My fav feud in the history books here humanoids. These two are my top 2 of all time so no surprise there. Their WWF stuff is where its at but the WCW stuff did its job as well and still had me invested.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 23:44:45 GMT -5
The stuff in early 92 was so riveting! Great storyline that led to an awesome match at Wrestlemania 8. The main reason I wanted to order WM 8 was Savage vs Flair more so than Hogan’s “last match”. If you ask Al Snow though he will tell you that Hogan vs Justice was better because it was the main event “and the match that put the butts in seats”.
In early 1996 their feud was so intense and when they were chosen as partners in the random draw, I was like “wow this will be something I need to see”. I don’t get that feeling when watching wwe over the last several years.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 28, 2020 0:59:47 GMT -5
A great feud from 2 of the best. I think what made this feud so special was that neither of these guys minded losing, and they could make a loss look like a win. I really liked their feuds, both in the WWF and WCW. WCW did a great job making the feud feel different than the WWF one, and I liked that they traded the WCW world title belt back and forth - plus, it was good not to see Hogan with the belt for a change. If I had to get a nod to the better feud, I would give the edge to their WWF one. I liked the addition of the Ultimate Warrior, Mr. Perfect and Razor Ramon entering into the feud. Though, I feel like both feuds were abandoned instead of settled. I didn't like that Savage lost the WWF belt at a house show and not a big event. Then later in WCW, having the feud payoff end with Arn and Flair vs Mongo and Greene. It was also kind of strange to see Savage win the WWF title by pulling the tights, seemed odd that he won it that way. Though I liked the Mr. Perfect face turn, I feel it was kind of rushed. It may have been cool if they could have had Hogan as Savage's partner for one night to take the place of Warrior. In the match, there could have been some confusion, a miscommunication by Mr. Perfect (who would have been in Flair & Razor's corner) causing Hogan and Savage to win. Then they could have had Flair and Razor blaming Perfect for the loss which would ultimately lead to Mr. Perfect's face turn. I would have loved to have seen more of Savage/Razor and Perfect/Flair. Much like the Savage/Flair feud, the Razor/Savage feud just ended, no big match or nothing. Personally, I would have preferred Razor face Savage at WM9 instead of Backlund.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 28, 2020 1:04:53 GMT -5
A great feud from 2 of the best. I think what made this feud so special was that neither of these guys minded losing, and they could make a loss look like a win. I really liked their feuds, both in the WWF and WCW. WCW did a great job making the feud feel different than the WWF one, and I liked that they traded the WCW world title belt back and forth - plus, it was good not to see Hogan with the belt for a change. If I had to get a nod to the better feud, I would give the edge to their WWF one. I liked the addition of the Ultimate Warrior, Mr. Perfect and Razor Ramon entering into the feud. Though, I feel like both feuds were abandoned instead of settled. I didn't like that Savage lost the WWF belt at a house show and not a big event. Then later in WCW, having the feud payoff end with Arn and Flair vs Mongo and Greene. It was also kind of strange to see Savage win the WWF title by pulling the tights, seemed odd that he won it that way. Though I liked the Mr. Perfect face turn, I feel it was kind of rushed. It may have been cool if they could have had Hogan as Savage's partner for one night to take the place of Warrior. In the match, there could have been some confusion, a miscommunication by Mr. Perfect (who would have been in Flair & Razor's corner) causing Hogan and Savage to win. Then they could have had Flair and Razor blaming Perfect for the loss which would ultimately lead to Mr. Perfect's face turn. I would have loved to have seen more of Savage/Razor and Perfect/Flair. Much like the Savage/Flair feud, the Razor/Savage feud just ended, no big match or nothing. Personally, I would have preferred Razor face Savage at WM9 instead of Backlund. Amen! |
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