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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Jun 20, 2020 13:24:55 GMT -5
The other thread shouldn't have been locked. We keep hearing about all the kids that post here as justification for stifling discussion. If it's not 90% grown men posting here then I'm a monkey's uncle. My favorite part about this place is the "there's not enough threads" posts and then the immediate knee jerk reaction of deleting said NEW thread that are actually worth discussing in favor of a "who do you think will main event WM 6 years from now" thread. Locking the threads isnt the answer. The answer is actually banning the ppl who come into threads only to start problems. It's not like this is a new issue either. It's usually the same few ppl getting things locked.100%. Issues don't start because of the subject matter. It's because of members who aren't mature enough to have an honest discussion, or those bad-faith argumentators actively seeking to derail a discussion because the majority doesn't agree with their views. |
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Post by figurecollector on Jun 20, 2020 13:27:31 GMT -5
We are not going to deal with speculation and allegations that could be later rescinded as was the case with Enzo. Its not really speculation though if even Tony Khan says he's aware of it He is aware of what is alleged in terms of the assault on Excalibur and the substance problems. The guy has a substance abuse problem and it likely results in the assault problems. Whether or not he assaulted the woman is not yet proven. |
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Post by stc13 on Jun 20, 2020 13:28:53 GMT -5
I'm happy to hear that Jimmy is getting treatment.
There are so many wrestlers who share stories of traumatic childhoods, broken homes, etc. I think to wrestling tends to draw in a larger than normal percentage of folks who may have experienced trauma, creating a bit of a powder keg. While that obviously doesn't excuse bad behavior, I really hope this can be an opportunity to have a larger discussion around mental health, trauma, and building better professional support systems for workers. I'm not optimistic that's the direction things will go in the industry as a whole. But I am interested to see how AEW moves forward, since many these issues aren't completely different from issues in football or soccer that Tony has probably given some thought to in the past.
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Post by figurecollector on Jun 20, 2020 13:28:58 GMT -5
If we aren't allowed to talk about #SpeakingOut, Jack Gallagher and Matt Riddle, then this thread should be locked up as well as the Cornette one. If you want to discuss him not being available due to suspension or his comments on Omega in the two threads, feel free. The rest has nothing to do with AEW and is not going to be permitted. |
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Post by Mox on Jun 20, 2020 13:49:22 GMT -5
If we aren't allowed to talk about #SpeakingOut, Jack Gallagher and Matt Riddle, then this thread should be locked up as well as the Cornette one. If you want to discuss him not being available due to suspension or his comments on Omega in the two threads, feel free. The rest has nothing to do with AEW and is not going to be permitted. Why don't misconduct allegations against an AEW employee have anything to do with AEW? |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 20, 2020 16:32:17 GMT -5
If we aren't allowed to talk about #SpeakingOut, Jack Gallagher and Matt Riddle, then this thread should be locked up as well as the Cornette one. If you want to discuss him not being available due to suspension or his comments on Omega in the two threads, feel free. The rest has nothing to do with AEW and is not going to be permitted. Why? If allegations surface and they are regarding AEW talents, what do they not have to do with AEW? You do realize there are allegations that have surfaced regarding Justin Roberts? The accused actually showed his alleged text messages. I'm not saying arrest the guy and fire him, but the allegations are out there. |
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 20, 2020 16:52:24 GMT -5
If you want to discuss him not being available due to suspension or his comments on Omega in the two threads, feel free. The rest has nothing to do with AEW and is not going to be permitted. Why? If allegations surface and they are regarding AEW talents, what do they not have to do with AEW? You do realize there are allegations that have surfaced regarding Justin Roberts? The accused actually showed his alleged text messages. I'm not saying arrest the guy and fire him, but the allegations are out there. A) Because they said don't do it. B) Because there are too many people on this board and in this thread who love to stir the pot, and either aren't mature enough or choose to not be mature enough to have real conversations without resorting to name calling and mudslinging. C) Because they said don't do it. D) Twitter exists. Make an account and talk about it there. E) Because they said don't do it. I mean there's really nothing more to it. This site is conjoined to and owned by a retail front and they want to avoid controversial topics. There's really nothing deeper than that despite all the conspiracy theories. F) What exactly are you going to talk about? It'll just be beating the same two bits of information to death over and over again. There are allegations about many wrestlers and it's a terrible thing for the victims that have gone through their ordeals. I mean...what more are we going to analyze? G) Because they said don't do it. |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 20, 2020 16:59:31 GMT -5
Why? If allegations surface and they are regarding AEW talents, what do they not have to do with AEW? You do realize there are allegations that have surfaced regarding Justin Roberts? The accused actually showed his alleged text messages. I'm not saying arrest the guy and fire him, but the allegations are out there. A) Because they said don't do it. B) Because there are too many people on this board and in this thread who love to stir the pot, and either aren't mature enough or choose to not be mature enough to have real conversations without resorting to name calling and mudslinging. C) Because they said don't do it. D) Twitter exists. Make an account and talk about it there. E) Because they said don't do it. I mean there's really nothing more to it. This site is conjoined to and owned by a retail front and they want to avoid controversial topics. There's really nothing deeper than that despite all the conspiracy theories. F) What exactly are you going to talk about? It'll just be beating the same two bits of information to death over and over again. There are allegations about many wrestlers and it's a terrible thing for the victims that have gone through their ordeals. I mean...what more are we going to analyze? G) Because they said don't do it. All flimsy reasons at best. Then we really shouldn't discuss anything, especially serious subjects, here at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 17:09:49 GMT -5
E) Because they said don't do it. I mean there's really nothing more to it. This site is conjoined to and owned by a retail front and they want to avoid controversial topics. I love you. |
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 20, 2020 17:30:54 GMT -5
Someone explain this because I don't know what's going on.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 20, 2020 18:46:59 GMT -5
Someone explain this because I don't know what's going on. Long and short, Jimmy Havoc has had some stories of abuse, assault and issues stemming from substance abuse problems. It seems that AEW has removed him from tv until he gets some help and they will decide from there based on his results if he will be continuing to work for the company. |
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Post by figurecollector on Jun 20, 2020 19:16:21 GMT -5
Why? If allegations surface and they are regarding AEW talents, what do they not have to do with AEW? You do realize there are allegations that have surfaced regarding Justin Roberts? The accused actually showed his alleged text messages. I'm not saying arrest the guy and fire him, but the allegations are out there. A) Because they said don't do it. B) Because there are too many people on this board and in this thread who love to stir the pot, and either aren't mature enough or choose to not be mature enough to have real conversations without resorting to name calling and mudslinging. C) Because they said don't do it. D) Twitter exists. Make an account and talk about it there. E) Because they said don't do it. I mean there's really nothing more to it. This site is conjoined to and owned by a retail front and they want to avoid controversial topics. There's really nothing deeper than that despite all the conspiracy theories. F) What exactly are you going to talk about? It'll just be beating the same two bits of information to death over and over again. There are allegations about many wrestlers and it's a terrible thing for the victims that have gone through their ordeals. I mean...what more are we going to analyze? G) Because they said don't do it. Thank you! |
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Post by figurecollector on Jun 20, 2020 19:21:27 GMT -5
A) Because they said don't do it. B) Because there are too many people on this board and in this thread who love to stir the pot, and either aren't mature enough or choose to not be mature enough to have real conversations without resorting to name calling and mudslinging. C) Because they said don't do it. D) Twitter exists. Make an account and talk about it there. E) Because they said don't do it. I mean there's really nothing more to it. This site is conjoined to and owned by a retail front and they want to avoid controversial topics. There's really nothing deeper than that despite all the conspiracy theories. F) What exactly are you going to talk about? It'll just be beating the same two bits of information to death over and over again. There are allegations about many wrestlers and it's a terrible thing for the victims that have gone through their ordeals. I mean...what more are we going to analyze? G) Because they said don't do it. All flimsy reasons at best. Then we really shouldn't discuss anything, especially serious subjects, here at all. This is not a site for discussing abuse challenges that wrestlers have due to the potential young audience. You need to stick to wrestling and toy topics. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 20, 2020 23:06:17 GMT -5
hopefully jimmy gets the help he needs. I haven’t read into this entire speaking out thing enough to comment
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 21, 2020 3:16:27 GMT -5
All flimsy reasons at best. Then we really shouldn't discuss anything, especially serious subjects, here at all. This is not a site for discussing abuse challenges that wrestlers have due to the potential young audience. You need to stick to wrestling and toy topics. The description for this subforum says "discuss the latest rumors." How are the actions of wrestlers possibly getting themselves released or suspended not wrestling topics? |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 21, 2020 3:18:41 GMT -5
E) Because they said don't do it. I mean there's really nothing more to it. This site is conjoined to and owned by a retail front and they want to avoid controversial topics. I love you. We all know there's nothing controversial about the pro wrestling industry. /s |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 21, 2020 3:59:13 GMT -5
If we aren't allowed to talk about #SpeakingOut, Jack Gallagher and Matt Riddle, then this thread should be locked up as well as the Cornette one. The other thread shouldn't have been locked. We keep hearing about all the kids that post here as justification for stifling discussion. If it's not 90% grown men posting here then I'm a monkey's uncle. Any chance you drive a truck? |
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Post by figurecollector on Jun 21, 2020 7:53:59 GMT -5
This is not a site for discussing abuse challenges that wrestlers have due to the potential young audience. You need to stick to wrestling and toy topics. The description for this subforum says "discuss the latest rumors." How are the actions of wrestlers possibly getting themselves released or suspended not wrestling topics? Not every intricate detail of the suspension needs to be discussed. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Jun 21, 2020 9:55:37 GMT -5
It would be really beneficial to have an honest mature conversation about whats going on today but I understand why its not allowed on the boards. I may disagree but those are the rules.
And dont give me that go on Twitter nonsense. Everyone knows Twitter is the last place to have a rational dialogue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:24:46 GMT -5
There's really not much to be discussed here, but after listening to Meltzer and co talk about everything I want to chime in once more given the way this topic has derailed.
1) it's great that Jimmy is attempting to get help. Regardless of any accusations, mental health and substance abuse are very serious, and I hope he can recover. Addiction is an everyday battle, and coupled with likely ptsd like symptoms from his upbringing just makes it harder. I have watched enough relatives battle these demons and feel qualified to say that.
2) Meltzer essentially confirmed what I had suggested before. Any decisions regarding Jimmy's future with the company cannot be made until after he has completed his rehab. Regardless of your opinion of Dave this is an area where he would be knowledgeable and likely correct.
Really don't think there is anything more to say on it here that would be appropriate. I commend all the brave people speaking up, it is an incredibly tough thing to do, and I hope they can all get the closure and justice they deserve, and hopefully this creates a more safe and inclusive wrestling world.
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