Jimmy Havoc, Sammy Guevara, and #SpeakingOut

I don't blame AEW the fault lies with the pc snowflakes. Usually over stuff that happened years ago or said years ago. Get back to work and get a life people.

It was crazy to me reading a Chris Benoit thread a few years back that was full of "I never met the man so I can't judge him" type of posts. Call me cynical but I doubt the dentist down the street would receive the same response if he did the same crime.

But hey Louis CK is still one of my favourite comedians so maybe I shouldn't throw stones.

What's that saying about accepting the things you cant change and all that?

I think all 3 parties (Sammy, Sasha & AEW) came to an agreement and plenty good came of this bad situation. Womens center is getting a much needed donation, Sammy is getting his slap on the wrist while maintaining a career (lets be honest, he'll have work after this especially with the way it was swiftly and honorably handled regardless of opinion of intent) and AEW keeps their image as the moral standard to some extent.

I think we can all agree that Sammys part in this is probably over so long as he complies. As for complaining about legends who are still revered after their past actions/statements, that is a totally different story. My initial response is to say go tweet about it and start a movement if you feel so strongly. Idk why people do that though. It's like the younger sibling that says "but so and so did/does it" when they get in trouble as if events rooted in the past somehow cancel out or take precedence over the present situation. Lol.

However I think the more logical answer is that you can't tear peoples idols down for them. They have to do that themselves. In other words you'll be fighting a losing battle if you're trying to convince a person that someone they hold in the highest regard is not worthy of that admiration. You see it with any kind of fanatic. Some people can't differentiate the man from the character he plays any different than the people who cant differentiate the past mistakes that went unpunished with the current rehabilitated persons who are trying to do better in the present.

TLDR: It was settled peacefully and should remain so until another allegation(hopefully doesn't) pop up. Everything else is just a toy.

after going back and reading into it, you’re right. my bad there.

Have any of you ever watched a comedy roast? Based on A LOT of the comments in here, I'm guessing not.

What was Sammy Guevara accused of?

if you've kept up with this thread you wouldn't need to ask of such. i'm not here to argue with you, but rather state the obvious to your unnecessary question. us being familiar with comedy roasts has nothing to do with a male professional wrestler stating that they would rape a female professional wrestler, regardless of whether or not it was meant in a joking matter. good day.

what a vile thing to say, im honestly so shocked at all this coming out now.

It was a dumb thing to say, but that’s the recurring theme of social media these days. Things you say offhandedly years prior can come back to haunt you down the line. I hope this continues to give athletes, celebrities, etc. a loud wakeup call that what you put out on the internet is there forever.

I really like Sammy so it’s sad to see him get called out for saying something really bad, even under the guise of a joke. With that said, the wording of his suspension makes it very clear that upon the completion of sensitivity training his position in AEW will be re-evaluated. Despite it sounding harsh, this is a PR measure for the company to show that they do not take situations like this lightly. I don’t for one second think Sammy will lose his job though. He’s done everything right since this news broke and he seemingly shows true remorse. I look forward to seeing him on Dynamite again in the future.