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Post by Mclovin on Feb 7, 2021 9:56:18 GMT -5
babyface Reigns is a top contender for worst main eventer ever. Peak Super Cena was the bane of my existence. Kevin Owens in WWE works best as the upper mid-carder who occasionally gets pushed up for big matches because he delivers in-ring. Ambrose was always held down by Roman's push. Christian's 2011 top run was good as a Christian fan (at times) but his NWA-TNA run is the stuff of legend. But Edge? How was he a bad main eventer? He was probably the best heel for about half a decade and was always a highlight. I have to agree with the edge thing. When I think of edge, his best days were as the mysterious loner coming through the crowd or in triple threat tag matches where he only needed to shine in short bursts. His moveset is uninspired at best, his mic work makes me change the channel, and I've never had that "big fight feel" for an edge match. The rated r superstar crap has always felt forced and unnatural. And it's kind of a crap gimmick anyway. The best guys really make you believe the gimmick. Prime austin, rock, triple h, hbk...you could buy in. Edge just felt like a dude that didnt belong, playing a part he didnt understand. And his comeback has made it worse. From the "greatest wrestling match of all time" (lmfao) to this overly unnecessary rumble win, just awful. I honestly hope Roman retires him for good. And as PJ said, he was always the b champion. Always. Mans really hates Sexton Hardcastle, cringe. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Feb 7, 2021 9:59:28 GMT -5
I have to agree with the edge thing. When I think of edge, his best days were as the mysterious loner coming through the crowd or in triple threat tag matches where he only needed to shine in short bursts. His moveset is uninspired at best, his mic work makes me change the channel, and I've never had that "big fight feel" for an edge match. The rated r superstar crap has always felt forced and unnatural. And it's kind of a crap gimmick anyway. The best guys really make you believe the gimmick. Prime austin, rock, triple h, hbk...you could buy in. Edge just felt like a dude that didnt belong, playing a part he didnt understand. And his comeback has made it worse. From the "greatest wrestling match of all time" (lmfao) to this overly unnecessary rumble win, just awful. I honestly hope Roman retires him for good. And as PJ said, he was always the b champion. Always. Mans really hates Sexton Hardcastle, cringe. And his good friend christian. And both Hardy Boyz. And poor Lita wasted her career with those dudes. |
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 7, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -5
Mans really hates Sexton Hardcastle, cringe. And his good friend christian. And both Hardy Boyz. And poor Lita wasted her career with those dudes. Damn that's like a medical condition, Lamewrestlingfanitus or sum sh*t. |
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Post by China Claus on Feb 7, 2021 11:34:32 GMT -5
I have to agree with the edge thing. When I think of edge, his best days were as the mysterious loner coming through the crowd or in triple threat tag matches where he only needed to shine in short bursts. His moveset is uninspired at best, his mic work makes me change the channel, and I've never had that "big fight feel" for an edge match. The rated r superstar crap has always felt forced and unnatural. And it's kind of a crap gimmick anyway. The best guys really make you believe the gimmick. Prime austin, rock, triple h, hbk...you could buy in. Edge just felt like a dude that didnt belong, playing a part he didnt understand. And his comeback has made it worse. From the "greatest wrestling match of all time" (lmfao) to this overly unnecessary rumble win, just awful. I honestly hope Roman retires him for good. And as PJ said, he was always the b champion. Always. Mans really hates Sexton Hardcastle, cringe. I have to agree with others. Maybe it's a generational gap, but having watched Edge from his debut, I never got the hype as main eventer. And that's no knock against his in ring prowess. His tag matches with Christian, then in 2002, he was having some great matches with Angle. His injury around that time really derailed a lot of momentum, at least with me caring about the guy, and when he came back and eventually won the MITB and subsequent WWE title, it just felt like there was no one else better at the time, and that's not necessarily a good thing. Looking back through rose colored glasses, it's pretty obvious, Edge was the perfect foil for Super Cena, and his Rated R gimmick was somewhat original and entertaining, especially around the revival of ECW. That being said, he was always a decent hand in the ring, but could only have a good match if he had the right dance partner to carry him. Honestly, the only matches I really remember being decent was the Foley Mania match and the TLC Taker match. He was always better in a No DQ setting at most points in his career. He was one of those guys that was good at a few different things, but not great at any one of them. |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Feb 7, 2021 12:23:46 GMT -5
Definitely Mahal. It should've never happened, but they went with it for waaaay too long. He couldn't draw flies, and wasn't a particularly good wrestler. The character was NyQuil. It was so bad that when they went to India on tour (the whole reason for the experiment in the first place) he was so underwhelming that HHH wouldn't even put him over in front of his “homeland” fans (I know he’s actually Canadian). I mean, even Hogan put over Jacques Rougeau in front of his fans.
others:
USA Lex Luger - He was pretty damn over at Summerslam 93, but not winning the title there derailed the Lex Express, and he also didn't have the best attitude, which further killed it. Also, (as much as I'm NOT a fan of his), all anyone wanted back then was Bret Hart.
Babyface Reigns - 'Sufferin succotash'...This is more due to his booking than Reigns himself. He was pushed so far down our throats that we gagged. He was so disliked that coming back from cancer wasn't enough to get any more than a polite golf clap when we all still really couldn't stand him. As a heel, he has the potential to be one of the greatest of this era.
Del Rio - Aside from being a scumbag of a human being, the fans never cared enough to cheer him or even boo him. I was a fan of his heel work, and thought that he was actually really good in that role, but I was CLEARLY in the extreme minority. As a face he was ridiculously bad. They tried to go for the Latino face gimmick but 1: He's not relatable to typical Hispanics, especially with his aristocratic gimmick, and 2 - He's just so unlikable that he'd be hard to cheer for.
Babyface Big Show - The character really wasn't ready for that position in 1999 when he first got there, and he's one of those guys who has good charisma, but as a face is missing that intangible that makes people really emotionally invested. He KIND OF had the babyface mojo as the Giant in 1997 WCW, but he lost it when he joined nWo Hollywood and really never got it back after that. Show works much better as a heel in the main event both because of the babyface 'stacked odds' principle, and the fact that he's really convincing as a big angry bear who wants to destroy the hero. His babyface stuff made him seem like more of a doofus. Knucklehead is basically Babyface Big Show.
Personal choice: CM Punk - It was like seeing X-Pac in the main event, only half as good and 10 times more cocky.
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 7, 2021 12:38:46 GMT -5
Either you don't like Eddie or you don't like how he was booked as champ, which is it?
He was okay. I liked him with Chyna in 2000, I liked him with Chavo in 2002 and 2003, and when he won the WWE Title it was exciting. But I didn't care for his reign. He wasn't believable to me to be a long term champion. He was like a guy that should be chasing titles.
I see that with Rey Rey. So I can get that for Eddie or even Benoit. |
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 7, 2021 12:40:21 GMT -5
Mans really hates Sexton Hardcastle, cringe. I have to agree with others. Maybe it's a generational gap, but having watched Edge from his debut, I never got the hype as main eventer. And that's no knock against his in ring prowess. His tag matches with Christian, then in 2002, he was having some great matches with Angle. His injury around that time really derailed a lot of momentum, at least with me caring about the guy, and when he came back and eventually won the MITB and subsequent WWE title, it just felt like there was no one else better at the time, and that's not necessarily a good thing. Looking back through rose colored glasses, it's pretty obvious, Edge was the perfect foil for Super Cena, and his Rated R gimmick was somewhat original and entertaining, especially around the revival of ECW. That being said, he was always a decent hand in the ring, but could only have a good match if he had the right dance partner to carry him. Honestly, the only matches I really remember being decent was the Foley Mania match and the TLC Taker match. He was always better in a No DQ setting at most points in his career. He was one of those guys that was good at a few different things, but not great at any one of them. 90's kids see Edge as the mid-card tag guy and 00's kids see Edge as the best heel of his generation (Orton and Triple H aside). |
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Post by teammadness on Feb 7, 2021 13:47:49 GMT -5
Off the top of my head Benoit Guerrero Jeff Jarrett JBL The Miz (the guy main evented a Wrestlemania) Christian Rey Mysterio Jeff Jarrett is the only one I'll accept, all of the other ones were good to great. JBL was a fantastic heel as was Miz. Eddie just oozed that top guy charisma. Benoit was like a next gen Bret Hart in the fed. Christian is the most underrated wrestler ever (yeah I f*cking said it). Rey Rey was a huge merch draw and was one of the pillars of his era. I don’t think you know what main event means. None of those guys would sell out an arena based on their star power. |
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Feb 7, 2021 13:58:12 GMT -5
On the Edge subject, I'm also not one completely enthralled with his work. Promo and character game is 100, but outside of his initial main event program with Cena nothing much else he did as a top guy (or really anything post E&C) really stands out to me. His midcard run as a whitemeat babyface was forgettable. His heel run was always plagued by interference and the "ultimate opportunist" bit, and his face run up until his retirement left a lot to be desired.
And these were my thoughts before his Rumble win this year, so I'm not jumping on some bandwagon.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Feb 7, 2021 18:26:24 GMT -5
Definitely Kevin Owens.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Feb 7, 2021 19:39:27 GMT -5
4 pages in and no mention of both Seth Rollin's runs
never drew a dime
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Feb 7, 2021 19:44:43 GMT -5
4 pages in and no mention of both Seth Rollin's runs never drew a dime I'm one of the biggest Rollins haters around, but in his defense, no one around today, besides the legends are a legit draw anymore. People come to the shows because of the brand, not the stars. |
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Post by K5 on Feb 7, 2021 23:43:30 GMT -5
wwe: edge, diesel, luger, del rio as others have said
outside wwe: giant baba comes to mind, at least his later career. moved worse than Andre and looked like he was made from sticks
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Post by hbkjason on Feb 8, 2021 4:02:01 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio
I have said it a million times, but I cannot think of another performer that WWE has put everything behind as much as him. I hated Del Rio. I thought his character was lame as hell and his matches bored me to tears. I always remember people on here telling me he was "smooth in the ring" I never saw it at all. The guy just flat out sucked and I never understood the appeal at all, he was given it all and he could not get over at all. I attribute a lot of my disinterest to watching RAW and Smackdown all the way through to him being such a focal point for so long. Oh, add to it the fact that he is a real piece of crap as a human being as well.
Also how the hell are people picking stars like Cena, Reigns, Warrior and Goldberg. I know we all have our favorites, but all of them greatly succeeded!!!
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 8, 2021 9:57:40 GMT -5
4 pages in and no mention of both Seth Rollin's runs never drew a dime Because he’s the best wrestler in the company... |
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Post by rowdy1971 on Feb 8, 2021 10:05:01 GMT -5
Mick Foley. A subpar gimmick "wrestler" who should have just been the level of the "Boogeyman" or "Papa Shango". Crashing through tables from high places, getting smacked with a chair a couple dozen times, although I did like that because of how stupid it was to have happen, he deserved the pain from that because of his stupidity, moronic promos, and whatever else you want to add doesn't make you anything but stupid. And don't give me that he made a lot of money excuse. He's in a wheelchair most times. I hope the preferred parking was "worth" it all.
Yeah. Foley is definitely the worse main eventer in any wrestling company.
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 8, 2021 10:32:29 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio I have said it a million times, but I cannot think of another performer that WWE has put everything behind as much as him. I hated Del Rio. I thought his character was lame as hell and his matches bored me to tears. I always remember people on here telling me he was "smooth in the ring" I never saw it at all. The guy just flat out sucked and I never understood the appeal at all, he was given it all and he could not get over at all. I attribute a lot of my disinterest to watching RAW and Smackdown all the way through to him being such a focal point for so long. Oh, add to it the fact that he is a real piece of crap as a human being as well. Also how the hell are people picking stars like Cena, Reigns, Warrior and Goldberg. I know we all have our favorites, but all of them greatly succeeded!!! I hate Cena, I hate babyface Reigns, Warrior and Goldberg matches make me want to crawl in a hole and die. Neither of them can do so much as a f*cking wristlock. They have their finishing sequence (which is usually their opening sequence because their matches are that short). I'm not a "workrate is everything" type of guy but there's a line that can be crossed. Goldberg was badass in WCW and his 2016-17 WWE run was fun for a bit but the rest of his career is as bad as Warrior, who's only good match was when Randy Savage wrestled around him. |
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 8, 2021 10:35:21 GMT -5
Mick Foley. A subpar gimmick "wrestler" who should have just been the level of the "Boogeyman" or "Papa Shango". Crashing through tables from high places, getting smacked with a chair a couple dozen times, although I did like that because of how stupid it was to have happen, he deserved the pain from that because of his stupidity, moronic promos, and whatever else you want to add doesn't make you anything but stupid. And don't give me that he made a lot of money excuse. He's in a wheelchair most times. I hope the preferred parking was "worth" it all. Yeah. Foley is definitely the worse main eventer in any wrestling company. He has iconic moments but he wasn't as important as some people act like he was, and he's said it himself calling himself a supporting character. I'll gladly watch his matches because they are generally entertaining but he wasn't the star of the show... Also he's a liberal that gets mad on twitter, so he loses some "historical value" points with me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 14:41:56 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal. Terrible championship run with no memorable matches or moments at all other than the one where he lost the title to AJ..andI only remember that because AJ won the title
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 8, 2021 15:13:22 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal. Terrible championship run with no memorable matches or moments at all other than the one where he lost the title to AJ..andI only remember that because AJ won the title I love his title win because upsets make it feel real dammit. The match he lost to AJ was good. Everything else between was the same old match over and over. |
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