izzyjames92
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Post by izzyjames92 on Apr 19, 2022 17:37:13 GMT -5
1. Reduce the plastic window on the front of the box.
2. Loose the massive bubble that holds the figure. Replace with cupboard.
3. Loose the plastic ties that hold the figure in the bubble.
4. Do this for Elite 100 to show you’re not falling behind other major toy companies.
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Apr 19, 2022 17:43:44 GMT -5
I get it, but this is a terrible idea and just makes things for repackers to get away with their scummy behavior. I imagine that at some point down the road there is going to be pushback from retailers due to all of the products being returned with different items inside. Just imagine being a customer buying a Marvel toy for a child, only to find something completely different inside the box. You'd likely go right back to the store to demand a refund or exchange. Retailers will be forced to accommodate but will eventually provide negative feedback to toy companies that that doesn't work for mass retail toys. Tear strips would be a good answer.     This man gets it. |
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Post by Zincdust on Apr 19, 2022 17:54:16 GMT -5
I support removing plastic waste from the environment but I think there are better design solutions. This is a dream for figswappers, who are outrageous enough with the things they cram in boxes and return to stores. I once saw a Jannah (Star Wars) rammed into a Naomi Elite box. There needs to be a way to check for quality in-store without breaking the seal. Maybe the figures can be tied down to the box. Or maybe they can incorporate a flip-open door to view the figure. Like this: The problem with having ANY part of the figure exposed and not behind a plastic and/or cardboard wall came to light with all of the those headless Space Jam Lebron James action figures. Tons of degenerates were stealing his dang head off, just because they could. I think that it may even have been an official Tiktok Challenge there for a while. My point is; any part of an action figure that's not nailed down is gonna be torn off by idiots.  |
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Post by crush on Apr 19, 2022 17:59:18 GMT -5
I get it, but this is a terrible idea and just makes things for repackers to get away with their scummy behavior. I imagine that at some point down the road there is going to be pushback from retailers due to all of the products being returned with different items inside. Just imagine being a customer buying a Marvel toy for a child, only to find something completely different inside the box. You'd likely go right back to the store to demand a refund or exchange. Retailers will be forced to accommodate but will eventually provide negative feedback to toy companies that that doesn't work for mass retail toys. Not an issue if the box falls apart and is impossible to put back together once opened. |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 19, 2022 18:07:38 GMT -5
You do realize this is Mattel we are talking about right... |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 19, 2022 18:08:49 GMT -5
Considering Hasbro forgot to put the alternate heads in a load of their recent Power Rangers figures, this seems...not great. Anyone who collects Lightning Collection will tell you how awful this is going to be... |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 19, 2022 18:11:43 GMT -5
this also should lead to a price decrease shouldnt it? plastic is supposedly one of the things companies are being overcharged for, so now its going to cost less....right??? lmao yeah i bet we will see another increase to keep the profits high. Ding Ding Ding, this is probably more of the reason for them changing than actually caring about the environment. |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 19, 2022 18:34:25 GMT -5
A more sensible idea imo would be to look for more recycled plastic options rather than do away with it all together I think we're still some time away from recycled plastics or (my big hope) bioplastics being cost-effective for something as relatively intricate as a collector-grade action figure. It's definitely worth exploring, but even a company of Mattel's scale wouldn't find it feasible yet. The simple, difficult fact is that manufacturing plastic is cheaper than recycling plastic, which is still a much more difficult process than we tend to realize. Most of the plastic we put in the recycling stream doesn't actually become part of a recycled object because of that. That's why I'm hoping on bioplastics in the long run. There's also potential for the use of biodegradable plastics in cases like packaging windows, but the rate of mineralization for those is pretty fast if they're regulation, probably too fast for the supply chain for these. It's also not a perfect tech, it's still in its infancy, really.
You're going to see a lot more plastic reduction methods before we get anywhere near there, largely because paper/cardboard packaging is just cheaper. I think largely we'll see bigger differences in packaging in other parts of the toy aisle, but the old plastic window framework isn't sustainable environmentally and it's rapidly becoming unsustainable cost-wise.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 19, 2022 18:35:46 GMT -5
I'm not fully sure I'm getting the argument that people who swap out the figures and return them are going to benefit/increase. If the packaging is really easy to open, then you'll be able to check in-store before buying it, what's in the box. If the packaging is really hard to open, then you'll know it was already opened by the time you see it on the shelf and will know it's been tampered with. Personally, I'm not mad about fully-closed cardboard boxes. I do agree with others that the internal packaging that holds the figure in place could be changed to cardboard, and I'd agree with that. I still think the 'window' on the box should remain, though. But that's just my opinion. I'm a loose collector so although I don't really care about packaging that much - I can see the issue of so much plastic being binned all the time.
We also know that Hasbro's been filing patents for tamper-proof packaging, so it's likely we're going to be seeing Marvel Legends or Fortnite boxes from them that have adhesive seals or tear strips, making tampering obvious.
I'd like to stress this, because I'm seeing a lot of obsessing here over people stealing or doing swaps: Hasbro's been filing patents for tamper-proof packaging for their windowless boxes. These companies are aware of potential problems.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 19, 2022 18:37:03 GMT -5
I get why they are doing this, but this can bring a whole set of problems as well. For one, you cannot see what you are purchasing. I have seen numerous figures at the store where the figure has been swapped out with an older figure (JAKKS, Mattel) and put back on the shelves. I've seen about the same amount where one or more of the accessories have been removed. If you remove the plastic window, and the buyer can no longer see what he/she is purchasing, this is going to cause a lot of problems. Like a few have said, if you get home and open the packaging and you find that something is missing, been removed or swapped out, then they are going to return the figure. If this happens enough, the buyers are not going to continue supporting the line, and stores are going to start losing money. And for those who do collect MOC, part of collecting is being able to see the figure. I have seen a lot of the packaging without the plastic window/covering, parts are missing (like the picture above of Space Jam Lebron).
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Apr 19, 2022 18:39:44 GMT -5
Hasbro definitely showed everyone how not to do it. I’m all for less plastic but Hasbro just eliminated the ability to even see the figures in the packaging all while jacking up prices.
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Post by Figure Addict™ on Apr 19, 2022 18:43:19 GMT -5
Kind of ruins it for MOC collectors.
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Post by razorrock on Apr 19, 2022 18:47:46 GMT -5
I get why they are doing this, but this can bring a whole set of problems as well. For one, you cannot see what you are purchasing. I have seen numerous figures at the store where the figure has been swapped out with an older figure (JAKKS, Mattel) and put back on the shelves. I've seen about the same amount where one or more of the accessories have been removed. If you remove the plastic window, and the buyer can no longer see what he/she is purchasing, this is going to cause a lot of problems. Like a few have said, if you get home and open the packaging and you find that something is missing, been removed or swapped out, then they are going to return the figure. If this happens enough, the buyers are not going to continue supporting the line, and stores are going to start losing money. And for those who do collect MOC, part of collecting is being able to see the figure. I have seen a lot of the packaging without the plastic window/covering, parts are missing (like the picture above of Space Jam Lebron). Not to mention, too many figures have paint defects. I always inspect a figure pretty carefully because I'm extremely picky about that. Not being able to see the figure in the box would make that an even bigger issue. |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 19, 2022 18:50:51 GMT -5
Are a lot of us still buying figures in person? I don't think I've bought a figure in a physical store this entire year.
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Post by jokerjohn on Apr 19, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -5
Most of my collection is loose but I do keep all my ultimate edition figures MOC and don't see a point in doing that if I can't see the actual figure inside. I don't collect boxes with pictures on them.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 19, 2022 18:53:19 GMT -5
I get why they are doing this, but this can bring a whole set of problems as well. For one, you cannot see what you are purchasing. I have seen numerous figures at the store where the figure has been swapped out with an older figure (JAKKS, Mattel) and put back on the shelves. I've seen about the same amount where one or more of the accessories have been removed. If you remove the plastic window, and the buyer can no longer see what he/she is purchasing, this is going to cause a lot of problems. Like a few have said, if you get home and open the packaging and you find that something is missing, been removed or swapped out, then they are going to return the figure. If this happens enough, the buyers are not going to continue supporting the line, and stores are going to start losing money. And for those who do collect MOC, part of collecting is being able to see the figure. I have seen a lot of the packaging without the plastic window/covering, parts are missing (like the picture above of Space Jam Lebron). Not to mention, too many figures have paint defects. I always inspect a figure pretty carefully because I'm extremely picky about that. Not being able to see the figure in the box would make that an even bigger issue. True, I've done the same. If the eyes are too wonky, or the paint app on the figure isn't great, I've put the figure back and not purchased. Hopefully they can do something with reusable/recycled plastics to keep the window, and find other ways to use less plastic - like the bubbles that the figure and accessories sit inside. |
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 19, 2022 18:54:44 GMT -5
Are a lot of us still buying figures in person? I don't think I've bought a figure in a physical store this entire year. Yes, I actually prefer it. Since I am a MOC collector, I like my packaging to be in great condition as well. Too often, when buying online, the packaging comes damaged - even completely destroyed. Buying in person helps with this. |
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Post by LA Times on Apr 19, 2022 18:55:44 GMT -5
Are a lot of us still buying figures in person? I don't think I've bought a figure in a physical store this entire year. These plastic-free packaged figures should only be for online exclusives. If they were sold in mass retail, it is going to be way too easy to steal or do a switcheroo with the figures. |
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Apr 19, 2022 19:07:59 GMT -5
I’m glad we’re moving in the right direction, however I really hope we can have open windows so we can see paint apps. Low key sucks for moc collectors if this happens to wwe Mattel
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Apr 19, 2022 19:12:46 GMT -5
I'll be reducing my impact on the environment by imprinting my carbon footprint up their ass.  |
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