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Post by suckator on Apr 19, 2022 19:50:02 GMT -5
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Post by finnbalor1 on Apr 19, 2022 20:12:50 GMT -5
Are a lot of us still buying figures in person? I don't think I've bought a figure in a physical store this entire year. Yes, I actually prefer it. Since I am a MOC collector, I like my packaging to be in great condition as well. Too often, when buying online, the packaging comes damaged - even completely destroyed. Buying in person helps with this. Yeah,if I can I rather buy in store 10 times out of 10 especially for like you said a MOC collector.
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Post by Ruthless Attitude on Apr 19, 2022 20:45:40 GMT -5
Are a lot of us still buying figures in person? I don't think I've bought a figure in a physical store this entire year. Yes, because I don't like paying over retail for store exclusives and chases.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 19, 2022 20:49:04 GMT -5
Bad idea. Now you won’t be able to tell when you get a defective figure.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 19, 2022 23:54:13 GMT -5
Trash. With how many QC issues we get from Hasbro and Mattel, it’ll be a huge risk whether you get a defective figure or not.
OP comparing Hot Toys to Hasbro and Mattel is like apples and oranges. Hot Toys is a premium-level product and have proven themselves capable of limiting QC issues. They also offer unique, hand-painted items and inspect each item before shipping. All Hasbro and Mattel have done is raise prices while not adding anything of substance to their offerings.
And this isn’t even getting into the potential increase in scamming.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 20, 2022 0:07:49 GMT -5
I'm not fully sure I'm getting the argument that people who swap out the figures and return them are going to benefit/increase. If the packaging is really easy to open, then you'll be able to check in-store before buying it, what's in the box. If the packaging is really hard to open, then you'll know it was already opened by the time you see it on the shelf and will know it's been tampered with. Personally, I'm not mad about fully-closed cardboard boxes. I do agree with others that the internal packaging that holds the figure in place could be changed to cardboard, and I'd agree with that. I still think the 'window' on the box should remain, though. But that's just my opinion. I'm a loose collector so although I don't really care about packaging that much - I can see the issue of so much plastic being binned all the time. We also know that Hasbro's been filing patents for tamper-proof packaging, so it's likely we're going to be seeing Marvel Legends or Fortnite boxes from them that have adhesive seals or tear strips, making tampering obvious. I'd like to stress this, because I'm seeing a lot of obsessing here over people stealing or doing swaps: Hasbro's been filing patents for tamper-proof packaging for their windowless boxes. These companies are aware of potential problems.
Is Hasbro patenting better QC procedures? I’d say collectors have to worry more about getting a figure with terrible paint apps and missing accessories now than potential swapping.
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Post by izzyjames92 on Apr 20, 2022 0:31:52 GMT -5
It seems like Hasbro have it right with their Fortnite line. Still able to check for QC and whether you have the correct figure but eliminates most of the plastic on the box aswell as the plastic bubble inside.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 20, 2022 2:16:31 GMT -5
It seems like Hasbro have it right with their Fortnite line. Still able to check for QC and whether you have the correct figure but eliminates most of the plastic on the box aswell as the plastic bubble inside. What about Elite figures though, where the heads are easily removable/swappable? It's asking for trouble...
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Post by DrakeParker on Apr 20, 2022 2:45:47 GMT -5
This is Kool & The Gang
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 20, 2022 4:08:32 GMT -5
A more sensible idea imo would be to look for more recycled plastic options rather than do away with it all together I think we're still some time away from recycled plastics or (my big hope) bioplastics being cost-effective for something as relatively intricate as a collector-grade action figure. It's definitely worth exploring, but even a company of Mattel's scale wouldn't find it feasible yet. The simple, difficult fact is that manufacturing plastic is cheaper than recycling plastic, which is still a much more difficult process than we tend to realize. Most of the plastic we put in the recycling stream doesn't actually become part of a recycled object because of that. That's why I'm hoping on bioplastics in the long run. There's also potential for the use of biodegradable plastics in cases like packaging windows, but the rate of mineralization for those is pretty fast if they're regulation, probably too fast for the supply chain for these. It's also not a perfect tech, it's still in its infancy, really.
You're going to see a lot more plastic reduction methods before we get anywhere near there, largely because paper/cardboard packaging is just cheaper. I think largely we'll see bigger differences in packaging in other parts of the toy aisle, but the old plastic window framework isn't sustainable environmentally and it's rapidly becoming unsustainable cost-wise.
I think it depends how the plastic is used. Rather then a full window box which we have now going around 5 sides of the figure (Top, bottom, front, left and right sides) if it was just a very small circle to show the face it could still be displayed well while still vastly cutting down on plastics. If you think how little would be needed for the face you’d be able to make what 80-100 boxes from what they currently use for 1. Action figure lavishing hasn’t really evolved since 70s. Kenner were doing full plastic bubbles on card back and we’re still doing the same 40-50 years later. Look at how various other items have had vastly improved packaging methods. The toy industry is way behind in a lot of areas
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Post by LK3 on Apr 20, 2022 4:14:08 GMT -5
Just gonna hope this doesn't happen any time soon, I'll leave it at that.
I don't mind having things specially made without being able to see the figures, like Bubbly Jericho and Coffin Drop Darby. I even bought a 2nd Jericho to open. But to make everything where you can't see anything, that's a big no from me dawg.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 20, 2022 6:56:37 GMT -5
Ok, so about 2 minutes with a google search will tell you that, of the top 6 sources of global plastic polution, action figure packaging doesn't even get a mention. So the notion that they are going to save the world by eliminating plastic action figure windows on collectibles is LAUGHABLE.
Let's call it what it is here. Doing this allows them to reduce costs buy a large factor, while *not* reducing price. Heck, they'll probably increase the price over this. On top of that, as stated, it serves as a perfect way to "deal with" the rampant quality control problems these companies have. Do your figures tend to be mukked up from creation? Simple! Make it so the buyers can't see what they are buying beforehand! Problem solved! On top of that, you have to think that this will save a ton of money on creation expenses. Not only are you eliminating plastic on the window, but now you don't have to worry about making unique inner bubbles that show off the figures! You can throw together whatever simplistic, mass produced inner card you want because, so what if they look like crap and barely hold the figure in there! Nobody is going to see them, out of sight, out of mind, easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Overall, the real reason for doing this is to screw over the consumer in favor of increasing the company's bottom line. I can assure you that Hasbro doesn't care one bit about saving the environment. After all, the entire bread and butter of their existence is based on plastic figures, taking the windows out of figures would only reduce their plastic usage by a fraction. (Friendly reminder that the production of plastic is a huge factor in pollution as well.) Beyond this destroying any appeal of MOC collecting, this is just another example of corporate greed. The only people it helps in the end are the guys at the top.
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Post by madnessmania on Apr 20, 2022 7:17:31 GMT -5
If this ever happens and you can't see the figure at all, my MOC collection will end. The only plus side is that I save money since I buy 2 of a figure and open one. So just buying one to open and throwing away the box saves me money and space. The other downside is you wont know if you get a figure that is defective, so I could see an increase of returns happening if QC is bad.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 20, 2022 7:50:12 GMT -5
I think we're still some time away from recycled plastics or (my big hope) bioplastics being cost-effective for something as relatively intricate as a collector-grade action figure. It's definitely worth exploring, but even a company of Mattel's scale wouldn't find it feasible yet. The simple, difficult fact is that manufacturing plastic is cheaper than recycling plastic, which is still a much more difficult process than we tend to realize. Most of the plastic we put in the recycling stream doesn't actually become part of a recycled object because of that. That's why I'm hoping on bioplastics in the long run. There's also potential for the use of biodegradable plastics in cases like packaging windows, but the rate of mineralization for those is pretty fast if they're regulation, probably too fast for the supply chain for these. It's also not a perfect tech, it's still in its infancy, really.
You're going to see a lot more plastic reduction methods before we get anywhere near there, largely because paper/cardboard packaging is just cheaper. I think largely we'll see bigger differences in packaging in other parts of the toy aisle, but the old plastic window framework isn't sustainable environmentally and it's rapidly becoming unsustainable cost-wise.
I think it depends how the plastic is used. Rather then a full window box which we have now going around 5 sides of the figure (Top, bottom, front, left and right sides) if it was just a very small circle to show the face it could still be displayed well while still vastly cutting down on plastics. If you think how little would be needed for the face you’d be able to make what 80-100 boxes from what they currently use for 1. Action figure lavishing hasn’t really evolved since 70s. Kenner were doing full plastic bubbles on card back and we’re still doing the same 40-50 years later. Look at how various other items have had vastly improved packaging methods. The toy industry is way behind in a lot of areas I'm curious how Hasbro's Fortnite figures with the open window are working out for them. It's a tiny window and the figures are tightly secured, but it's interesting to me that the product is just open in any form. Like you said, we've been used to figure packaging being fundamentally the same for 45 years.
I know that Hasbro and Mattel have shifted to working with some level of recycled plastic (I think around 30%), and for a small window like you're describing, that seems very achievable. If Fortnite's pulling it off with the open window, a recycled plastic window of about that size could probably work without having to worry about the plastic integrity. Maybe even a biodegradable window panel.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 20, 2022 7:59:13 GMT -5
Maybe they should get rid of the cardboard too. I mean we need trees.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Apr 20, 2022 9:04:09 GMT -5
The ability for people to swap figures and return them is going to be insane. I imagine at some point, figures are going to start being locked into those plastic cases they they used to put video games in.
We aren't going to be able to get a good look at the paint apps and quality of the figure anymore, either. How many times have you skipped on a figure in a retail store because the eye deco is printed way off-center, or there are black paint scuffs on the head, or whatever else can go wrong in production? Its happened a ton to me.
Also, it just isn't appealing at all for MOC collectors. I think its going to somewhat kill that section of their consumer base. There's going to be a lot of people who continue collecting MOC figures but no doubt that having no plastic window on the box makes it less appealing.
I hate to say it but I'm on my way out of toys alltogether. I can't believe the preorder prices on the Marvel Legends reveals yesterday. That 20th Anniversary Toad is pushing $35 and is not at all a premium figure. The Knull/Venom 2-pack in all fairness is two premium figures, but is almost $80! And it seems like all toy lines are swinging in that direction. I'm paying more and more money for a worse and worse quality and selection; and now the figures that I collect for my MOC display aren't going to fit in. I really just might be moving on from this hobby soon.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Apr 20, 2022 9:17:02 GMT -5
You'll like this idea until they add $12 to the price of an already horribly designed Elite.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 20, 2022 10:02:02 GMT -5
I saw the new elite Charlotte for the first time yesterday and was ready to grab it until I looked over the paint deco - the trunks area where they painted skin-tone over purple was all scratched up and looked horrible (not to mention the eyes being off-centered). I put the figure right back on the peg.
Now imagine grabbing this in a box with no window and getting home only to find out the figure looks like crap. I’d be pretty PO’d that I’d now have to waste gas and find the time to return the figure and hopefully get another without the QC issues (there’s about 6 legend HHHs sitting at one of my local targets all with horribly printed eyes).
Now add to this the increased possibility of figure swapping.
I’ve already severely cut back on my figure collecting due to the ridiculous increase in prices over the past few months. This change will put me off even more.
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Post by izzyjames92 on Apr 20, 2022 10:03:11 GMT -5
It seems like Hasbro have it right with their Fortnite line. Still able to check for QC and whether you have the correct figure but eliminates most of the plastic on the box aswell as the plastic bubble inside. What about Elite figures though, where the heads are easily removable/swappable? It's asking for trouble... That Fortnite box actually has a plastic window. You can see the recycle logo in the corner so head swapping isn't an issue.
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Post by crush on Apr 20, 2022 10:43:08 GMT -5
It's interesting how people keep bringing up swapping even though a pretty simple way to (mostly) avoid that has been brought up by several posters and mostly ignored. It's very straw man. Re: QC stuff, I get it, and I think that's a bigger likely issue than swapping. That said, personally I order any figures I really want online so the idea of hunting for QC doesn't really affect me, and I would wager a decent amount of other collectors. (Not saying I don't understand that there are many people who do or their concerns are unwarranted, just speaking for myself)
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