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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Jun 8, 2023 14:42:52 GMT -5
yes, the customer ultimately determines if the value is there to them, but companies are also tied to production costs. If Mattel could have manufactured and sold the Stage for $275, they would have. You're insinuating that these two items have similar production costs, which means your insinuating that Mattel was set to make an additional $175 of pure profit over whatever Hasbro might be making on the Classified Haslab... you're argument is completely asinine...its borderline idiotic frankly. Before you call someone borderline idiotic and asinine, learn the difference between "you're" and "your" for starters. You think businesses aren't out to make profit? 🤣 Sometimes they try to make too much and it backfires. I stand by what I said. oh no...sometimes my phone decides it likes you're over your...what a catastrophe. Yes, I stand by my statement...I was actually trying my best to be polite in describing the level of intelligence behind your argument. Of course businesses have to make a profit. But you're really gonna double down on the idea that these two crowd funds have similar development/manufacturing costs and that Mattel decided they would try to get one over on the community and just tack $175 onto what it should have cost? You don't think if there was an extra $175 of wiggle room in their profit margin they wouldn't have thrown at least another figure into the 5000 level? Your logic is mind boggling. |
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Jun 8, 2023 18:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Jun 8, 2023 19:34:42 GMT -5
Exactly my point. The perception is that the value wasn’t there for a giant light up entrance, brand new full scale ring and a figure for $250. It barely got 1000 backers in 3 weeks. But a helicopter and a figure for $275 gets 10K in a day. Their community vs ours. We come up with excuses on why we don’t wanna buy it and/or hold out hoping they sweeten the pot while they’re throwing money at everything that’s being offered. AND on top of everything you've said, which is spot on btw...Mattel has RUINED future perceived value for every WWE Crowdfund from here on out because of how they handled it. I understand WHY they threw Macho Man in...I understand WHY they moved a second figure to the 5000 backer level on the Nitro Stage... But moving forward, no matter how small they make their profit margins, this community will complain that it is too expensive, and they KNOW Mattel is holding something back to sweeten the pot. For this community, every crowdfund will be too big, or too expensive, or the figs are the wrong ones...It was borderline infuriating to listen to people talk about how at 5 figures and the stage, it was too expensive. This community refused to even understand that stretch goals are not even part of the initial value of the product. And then you watch the GI Joe Community rip off more than double the backers in less than 24 hours. Basically funding this thing in 24 hours, and at this point just over 1700 backers from the first stretch goal...it sucks. But I'm going to enjoy my Classified DragonFly lol Not completely true. Because they definitely didn’t hold anything back this time to sweeten anything. They got desperate and moved things around to try and make something work that was never going to work for soemthing that was way over priced without payment options. |
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Jun 8, 2023 19:36:29 GMT -5
Before you call someone borderline idiotic and asinine, learn the difference between "you're" and "your" for starters. You think businesses aren't out to make profit? 🤣 Sometimes they try to make too much and it backfires. I stand by what I said. oh no...sometimes my phone decides it likes you're over your...what a catastrophe. Yes, I stand by my statement...I was actually trying my best to be polite in describing the level of intelligence behind your argument. Of course businesses have to make a profit. But you're really gonna double down on the idea that these two crowd funds have similar development/manufacturing costs and that Mattel decided they would try to get one over on the community and just tack $175 onto what it should have cost? You don't think if there was an extra $175 of wiggle room in their profit margin they wouldn't have thrown at least another figure into the 5000 level? Your logic is mind boggling. Haha! The good ol “my phone is the dumb one, not me” excuse. |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Jun 8, 2023 19:53:24 GMT -5
Not completely true. Because they definitely didn’t hold anything back this time to sweeten anything. They got desperate and moved things around to try and make something work that was never going to work for soemthing that was way over priced without payment options. That's exactly the point sweetheart...half the community sat and watched saying "they will throw something in, they are gonna sweeten the pot" while Steve and the team kept saying... "Nah bro, the profit margins are razor thin, we've got nothing to add" And they will continue to do so every time. But yet here we are still having people argue that Mattel had $175 on the bone and would have still made a justifiable profit at $275!? GTFO It's not over priced if it costs a certain amount to make. I'd like to believe Steve isn't a straight up liar...you are accusing him of being one, that's on you Now, you couldn't justify the price? Fine...couldn't afford it? Fine...that doesn't make something overpriced. We already had custom stage makers tell us that they couldn't make a stage of that size/quality and sell it for what Mattel was charging. Honestly, how much meat do you think was on the bone? What do you think it might have cost Mattel to design, develop and produce that stage? Haha! The good ol “my phone is the dumb one, not me” excuse. *Yawn* yes, I'm positive it's never happened to you |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 8, 2023 20:22:38 GMT -5
I mean if Mattel had a 10,000 minimum goal to fund instead of 5000, no early bird, and just 1 FTITL elite figure in their base offering, sure, maybe they coulda offered the Nitro stage for around $275-$300. Would it have gotten funded? Very unlikely.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jun 8, 2023 22:08:15 GMT -5
I mean if Mattel had a 10,000 minimum goal to fund instead of 5000, no early bird, and just 1 FTITL elite figure in their base offering, sure, maybe they coulda offered the Nitro stage for around $275-$300. Would it have gotten funded? Very unlikely. Well I asked in here why not do like 10k set number at $400 and offer everything all together to be unlocked at the 10k and people were coming at me saying I didn’t know how it worked and all this and all that bs I know how it works; that doesn’t mean they can’t do it a different way |
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Post by newgenandy on Jun 9, 2023 3:34:46 GMT -5
I mean if Mattel had a 10,000 minimum goal to fund instead of 5000, no early bird, and just 1 FTITL elite figure in their base offering, sure, maybe they coulda offered the Nitro stage for around $275-$300. Would it have gotten funded? Very unlikely. Well I asked in here why not do like 10k set number at $400 and offer everything all together to be unlocked at the 10k and people were coming at me saying I didn’t know how it worked and all this and all that bs I know how it works; that doesn’t mean they can’t do it a different way That’s the thing, the perceived value (perceived being the operative word) was in that stage + all figures. How many people on here and elsewhere said if it looked like they would get all (or 3 of 4) extra figures they would’ve gone in on it. I think (and no one knows for sure I’m just going by comments) if they had decreased the price but increased the volume they’d have had more chance of success (not saying it would’ve been fully funded but it would’ve been less of an embarrassment) |
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Post by ddt4thee on Jun 9, 2023 6:16:07 GMT -5
Before you call someone borderline idiotic and asinine, learn the difference between "you're" and "your" for starters. You think businesses aren't out to make profit? 🤣 Sometimes they try to make too much and it backfires. I stand by what I said. oh no...sometimes my phone decides it likes you're over your...what a catastrophe. Yes, I stand by my statement...I was actually trying my best to be polite in describing the level of intelligence behind your argument. Of course businesses have to make a profit. But you're really gonna double down on the idea that these two crowd funds have similar development/manufacturing costs and that Mattel decided they would try to get one over on the community and just tack $175 onto what it should have cost? You don't think if there was an extra $175 of wiggle room in their profit margin they wouldn't have thrown at least another figure into the 5000 level? Your logic is mind boggling. Blame it on the phone, good one. You probably think these companies just break even all the time, at retail and crowdfunding, whatever 🤣 I already explained the similarities, and how the Dragonfly has more value for less money. You just didn't like it and pretend you don't understand. Twice now. You're trying to White Knight for Steve and Mattel here. I get it. You're also trying to point fingers at the collectors, and that's ridiculous. I realize that's the thing to do in today's world, when movies bomb at the box office, it's because the of "toxic fans" or whatever. It's just dumb. The movie bombed because it sucked. The box office take proved it. |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Jun 9, 2023 11:43:32 GMT -5
oh no...sometimes my phone decides it likes you're over your...what a catastrophe. Yes, I stand by my statement...I was actually trying my best to be polite in describing the level of intelligence behind your argument. Of course businesses have to make a profit. But you're really gonna double down on the idea that these two crowd funds have similar development/manufacturing costs and that Mattel decided they would try to get one over on the community and just tack $175 onto what it should have cost? You don't think if there was an extra $175 of wiggle room in their profit margin they wouldn't have thrown at least another figure into the 5000 level? Your logic is mind boggling. Blame it on the phone, good one. You probably think these companies just break even all the time, at retail and crowdfunding, whatever 🤣 I already explained the similarities, and how the Dragonfly has more value for less money. You just didn't like it and pretend you don't understand. Twice now. You're trying to White Knight for Steve and Mattel here. I get it. You're also trying to point fingers at the collectors, and that's ridiculous. I realize that's the thing to do in today's world, when movies bomb at the box office, it's because the of "toxic fans" or whatever. It's just dumb. The movie bombed because it sucked. The box office take proved it. Oh, I understand completely what you're saying, and it is absolutely asinine. I never said they break even. But Hasbro is making some sort of profit at $275 (at 10,000 backers)...Your argument is that Mattel would also have made a profit at $275. I have to ask again, how much do you honestly think that Nitro Stage cost to develop and manufacture? $200? $250? Less? There is no way the Haslab Dragonfly is as expensive to manufacture as the stage. Mattel could have never sold the stage for $275 and turned a profit. We have customizers that have literally told us this. I'm not white knighting for anybody, I just don't think Steve would be that much of a bold faced liar. If the profit margin was THAT large on the stage, they would have at least thrown in another figure, or an announcer stage, or something to get it backed. I'm pointing out how comical your argument is. |
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Post by ddt4thee on Jun 9, 2023 12:37:52 GMT -5
I'm bored with him repeating "asinine" over and over while refusing to read or acknowledge the reasons why I said what I said. There's better conversation with the living room coffee table.
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Jun 9, 2023 13:43:05 GMT -5
I'm bored with him repeating "asinine" over and over while refusing to read or acknowledge the reasons why I said what I said. There's better conversation with the living room coffee table. asinine |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jun 9, 2023 13:48:37 GMT -5
I'm bored with him repeating "asinine" over and over while refusing to read or acknowledge the reasons why I said what I said. There's better conversation with the living room coffee table. ass in nine |
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Post by coldblooded on Jun 9, 2023 16:20:07 GMT -5
I'm bored with him repeating "asinine" over and over while refusing to read or acknowledge the reasons why I said what I said. There's better conversation with the living room coffee table. ass in nine Deep |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 9, 2023 16:43:36 GMT -5
I’d buy a Mattel helicopter if it came with an ultimate Sting. I'd buy a f*cking Mattel porta potty if it came with a Ultimate Suffer Sting |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jun 9, 2023 19:59:32 GMT -5
I’d buy a Mattel helicopter if it came with an ultimate Sting. I'd buy a f*cking Mattel porta potty if it came with a Ultimate Suffer Sting Same bro, same! |
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Post by ddt4thee on Jun 9, 2023 20:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by irishstrife on Jun 10, 2023 16:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jun 10, 2023 22:20:31 GMT -5
Probably just custom 3D printing |
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Jul 2, 2023 20:26:44 GMT -5
Was watching the last dance episode where rodamn went on wcw and it reminded me of this, I'm still pissed we didn't make it. I need this stage 😡
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