valo487
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Post by valo487 on May 6, 2023 16:02:47 GMT -5
My sympathies to everyone who wanted this, it wasn’t for me as I don’t collect Legends, but it was nice for what it was. I went through a similar experience with the last Marvel crowdfund, the Ghost Rider Charger, and while I wanted the car and felt like it was absolutely necessary for that version of Ghost Rider, I REALLY wanted the figures that were included/possible tiers, and it still bums me out they’re likely scrapped, possibly for good due to their occult connection. And while I saw some truly asinine comments, like the car shouldn’t cost more than 50 dollars which completely ignored all the detail, swappable parts and the light effects Hasbro built into the car, at the end of the day if someone doesn’t feel the value is there they’re not going to spend the money even if their rationale is flawed. My point is, if the figures are more the selling point for people than the actual stage, would it be better for companies to scale back things like lights and sounds for crowdfunds to keep the price down, or do you want the extra effects even if it makes the project riskier?
As a fan I don’t want to see these things fail, it’s been my experience the companies never learn the right lessons from these things, they just scale back future projects or quit altogether, and I don’t want to lose the opportunity for unique releases, but this isn’t the only crowdfund to fail from a big company of late, it feels like something has to change for this avenue of collecting to continue.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 6, 2023 16:05:41 GMT -5
Just give me add-ons to my New Gen arena
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Post by SteveHulk on May 6, 2023 16:19:15 GMT -5
Honestly, if I’m Mattel I take one look at the Official Thread and say “  it, we are done.” It’s just going to be the same story. If they do the RAW stage it’ll cost more so we will get cost complaints. If it includes Foley, Triple H, Rock, Austin and Undertaker, then people will post stupid sh** like “They should have included a first time in the line Val Venis or Owen Hart!!!!” despite knowing that’s not how it works. If it’s the Smackdown fist it might be cheaper but when Rey is rightfully part of it again the same dopes will be like “Rey doesn’t sell!!!” It’s just going to go in a circle. The New Gen worked at that price point because it was something new that opened the idea of crowdfunds and the Doink was niche and Macho was an added bonus. Remember, people threw a fit about the Diesel. “It should have been Bret or Razor or Shawn!!!!!” I just don’t see the juice being worth the squeeze. Yeah... anything similar to this and people (I'm including myself here) will again complain about the size, the cost, the figures/selection, the international thing... all the same issues. It's probably not worth the effort/hassle/tooling etc. |
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Post by CM Tusk on May 6, 2023 16:32:14 GMT -5
Honestly, if I’m Mattel I take one look at the Official Thread and say “ it, we are done.” It’s just going to be the same story. If they do the RAW stage it’ll cost more so we will get cost complaints. If it includes Foley, Triple H, Rock, Austin and Undertaker, then people will post stupid sh** like “They should have included a first time in the line Val Venis or Owen Hart!!!!” despite knowing that’s not how it works. If it’s the Smackdown fist it might be cheaper but when Rey is rightfully part of it again the same dopes will be like “Rey doesn’t sell!!!” It’s just going to go in a circle. The New Gen worked at that price point because it was something new that opened the idea of crowdfunds and the Doink was niche and Macho was an added bonus. Remember, people threw a fit about the Diesel. “It should have been Bret or Razor or Shawn!!!!!” I just don’t see the juice being worth the squeeze. Yeah... anything similar to this and people (I'm including myself here) will again complain about the size, the cost, the figures/selection, the international thing... all the same issues. It's probably not worth the effort/hassle/tooling etc. Even if they just stuck with a stage at a lower price point people would complain that no figures are included and still complain about the price. I just don’t see a winning situation. Collectors have unrealistic expectations when it comes to what they want and what they want to spend on it when it comes to bigger items. |
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kinnikuman
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Post by kinnikuman on May 6, 2023 16:40:56 GMT -5
I don't think anything is next. Haslabs constantly have crowdfunders that fail and they put out new ones. Just because this one failed, doesn’t mean the next ones will Mattel Creations isn't going anywhere. Will their WWE team be given another project? Only time will tell. |
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Post by newgenandy on May 6, 2023 16:42:25 GMT -5
They don't need to crowdfund figs I've seen people say this - but there's no way you'd get a themed Ultimate Edition 4-5 figure boxset (or a faction set like NWO or DX) at retail. They’ve said numerous times they wouldn’t do just figures, they’d find a place for it at retail etc. but at retail an ultimate set of 4-5 figs would be what, £150-£180? How much shelf space would it take up? Would retail want to take it? I’d like to see ultimates as crowdfund but give a little spice snd sugar to it. With the success of the coliseum line do something like say 6 figures in an 80s style plastic / vinyl figure case like what LJNs, ghostbusters, MOTU etc had back in the day. Get the figures right and people would go mad for that imo As I’ve said multiple times we don’t have the world other fandoms do - we rely on figures and the odd accessories. We don’t need multiple rings etc. people on the whole are just into figures with the odd little display to compliment (the summerslam set or heartbreak hotel set from a few years back). MOTU have the two castles, eternia, fright zone, then there’s the vehicles which scale size would be huge and great for crowd funding then the whole princess of power world which crosses over. Star Wars there’s a whole literal universe (not just an imaginary one like wwe) Even Thundercats which is a smaller fandom than motu or Star Wars have multiple vehicles, the cat lair, mumra’s tomb etc etc |
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RedDevil
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Post by RedDevil on May 6, 2023 16:49:07 GMT -5
They shouldn't do another at all - the collector base they need to buy-in in terms of finances are (generally) more interested in figures than they are playsets, especially at the price-point they need.
If something as impressive as the Nitro stage fails to generate 5,000 backers at $400 then it's unlikely anything else will do it - even the Titan Tron if it needs to be at an even higher price-point, as has been reported.
Other than something like the RAW letters box set then anything other than figures is a gamble more likely to be a waste of their time.
(I say this as someone who backed multiple units of both projects.)
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Post by Flair Forever on May 6, 2023 17:10:11 GMT -5
Majority of those ppl are probably the ones who would back a raw entrance immediately even if it was $600. They’re just not a wcw fan and wanted it to fail, so they looked for every excuse to have a reason not to back it. I’m neutral, I’d back wcw; raw, pretty much anything before the RA era. All this crowd funding stuff has gotten to is getting people’s hopes up and failing. I think that's sad to be honest. While I get the jokes and having fun, I don't get why some people have that Eeyore spirit. Like why rain on someone else's parade because you have nothing better to do with your life? You don't want it?You think it sucks? Cool, make your comment and move along, but to come on here and other platforms every single day repeating the same nonsense? Come on... I for one, don't care for the Golden Era or New Gen, but I backed the arena to help out with future crowdfund and to also later resell. However, I wanted those people who enjoyed that era to be happy and supported them. I know what's like to have something meaningful and nostalgic bring happiness, even if it's for a short period of time. I am really stumped over some of the Members here. I looked at one vocal user's posts - over 100 comments on the Nitro Crowd Funding thread - and they admitted (several times) that they did not back it. That - I just don't get. To each their own, and it is a comment board - but I didn't back the New Gen Crowdfund, and I don't think I commented on it one single time. I just wasn't interested. |
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HothHan
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Post by HothHan on May 6, 2023 17:22:02 GMT -5
Mattel next crowd fund should be for something that will actually fund like a Jurassic Park Hammond Collection Visitors Center.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 6, 2023 17:30:54 GMT -5
Mattel next crowd fund should be for something that will actually fund like a Jurassic Park Hammond Collection Visitors Center. Pretty sure Heyman booked that for ECW shows at some point |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 6, 2023 17:38:18 GMT -5
I don’t think there’ll be another WWE crowdfund for Mattel. Wrestling collectors generally have a habit of being poor/cheap, loving to complain, and there’s too much of a variation in things that people are fans of. For someone who isn’t a WCW fan, this stage likely wasn’t worth the price. For someone who is only a WCW fan, a Raw is War stage likely isn’t worth the cost. Both of those shows are from 25 years ago, so you’re looking at people aged about 35-55 to buy it. How many of these people still care about that show enough to buy toy stages that cost several hundred dollars, can afford to do so, aren’t going to complain about every single thing, and have the room to put the thing up?
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 6, 2023 17:39:47 GMT -5
I think Mattel will share enough blame here..but the continuous posts in the official thread from people who weren’t pleased with the offering took so much enjoyment out of this for me. I don’t want them to do another crowdfund because posters who behave like this make me not want to be on this board any longer.
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on May 6, 2023 18:20:07 GMT -5
Ok, why not back it for the people who wanted it? Then just resell it Why should I (or anyone) feel obligated to front $400 and engage in the legwork to flip something I don't want just to satisfy someone else's needs? Not all about just buying it to please others. You’re here for a reason right? You collect wwe figures? If anything back the stuff to make it successful so we could get more in the future. All I’m saying is if you backed it but didn’t want it, you could always resell it to get your money back. And if you can’t afford it then ok. But most of you rather just get on here and complain about prices and size , yet ask and hope fr stuff that would cost way much more and be just as big if not bigger. |
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Post by kirk815 on May 6, 2023 18:23:01 GMT -5
I know Mattel said they won't use the crowdfunds to fund figures and they seem hesitant to do it for interview sets, but I hope they pursue that (if there is another one).
Do a funeral Parlor Set for like $180-$200 that includes the set/props and an UE Paul Bearer and Warrior (when he was locked in the casket) at 5K. 7K unlocks Papa Shango with an awesome cape and accessories. 9K unlocks Jake the Snake in his heel attire (black flames) and an UE Lucifer.
Focus on figures that might not get any or a lot of UE released through different means. Use like one mass appeal figure to help sell (Warrior, Hogan, Macho, etc.).
Don't pigeonhole yourself with self inflicted "rules" like the MNW line now where they had to wear the attire on Raw or Nitro or the Collesium Collection where they had to have been previously released as a LJN. It's great to focus first on the people available that had LJNs released, but I think most of us would also like to see people from that era released in the CC line that didn't have a LJN (like Mr. Perfect for example).
Did Jake ever wear his black or blue flames attire on the funeral Parlor? I don't know or care, I just want an ultimate edition of it vs. some obscure attire he might have wore on the show.
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Post by Goldust on May 6, 2023 18:24:11 GMT -5
We aren’t gonna get anything remotely close to this ever again. We’ve clamored for something like this every time they show it at a show and we got the opportunity to put our money where our mouth is and we didn’t do it. Best we can hope for is something similar in scale and scope to the New Gen arena.
On Mattel’s end, wrong figures, poorly advertised until the last minute on WWE TV, and international shipping were a big issue.
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Post by PJ on May 6, 2023 18:36:18 GMT -5
I really don’t care because whatever it is I won’t back it. I made it known when they showed the New Generation Crowdfunding I said the only stage I would back would be a WCW stage. I did and then I had to wait on the whims of others to decide if I was going to be able to obtain it. So no thanks. I don’t want the fate of something I truly want left in the hands of others. So I would rather not be shown something I would want and then hope that others like it enough to back it. I would rather just not see/hope of it.
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Post by LA Times on May 6, 2023 18:39:25 GMT -5
Haslabs constantly have crowdfunders that fail and they put out new ones. Just because this one failed, doesn’t mean the next ones will Hasbro pretty much owns everything they put out I believe. Mattel has to abide by a license when it comes to wwe. Hasbro has done crowdfund projects with Star Wars and Marvel. |
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Post by MKSavage on May 6, 2023 18:48:44 GMT -5
I know Mattel said they won't use the crowdfunds to fund figures and they seem hesitant to do it for interview sets, but I hope they pursue that (if there is another one). Do a funeral Parlor Set for like $180-$200 that includes the set/props and an UE Paul Bearer and Warrior (when he was locked in the casket) at 5K. 7K unlocks Papa Shango with an awesome cape and accessories. 9K unlocks Jake the Snake in his heel attire (black flames) and an UE Lucifer.Focus on figures that might not get any or a lot of UE released through different means. Use like one mass appeal figure to help sell (Warrior, Hogan, Macho, etc.). Don't pigeonhole yourself with self inflicted "rules" like the MNW line now where they had to wear the attire on Raw or Nitro or the Collesium Collection where they had to have been previously released as a LJN. It's great to focus first on the people available that had LJNs released, but I think most of us would also like to see people from that era released in the CC line that didn't have a LJN (like Mr. Perfect for example). Did Jake ever wear his black or blue flames attire on the funeral Parlor? I don't know or care, I just want an ultimate edition of it vs. some obscure attire he might have wore on the show. I'd be all for this. I like the addition of Papa Shango, though I don't think he ever appeared on the funeral parlor, he seems to fit the theme. Plus, I don't think Papa Shango would get an Ultimate Edition figure otherwise - he'd be like the Doink of the set. I also like the addition of a heel Jake, though, Lucifer was his second python after Earthquake squashed Damien, and I don't remember him carrying a python as a heel (in 1991/92), but an Ultimate Edition cobra would be great - I don't think he ever named his cobra snake. If they don't go with this, I wouldn't mind the funeral parlor set from the segment that Flair and Hogan met for the first time on TV. First tier is the main set and the UE Paul Bearer figure (who probably wouldn't get an UE figure otherwise). Tier 2 could be Hogan and the Hogan casket. Tier three could be Ric Flair and maybe another casket that would fit with the Funeral Parlor stage. Early bird special could be Warrior with a Warrior casket. |
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Post by Flair Forever on May 6, 2023 19:01:16 GMT -5
I really don’t care because whatever it is I won’t back it. I made it known when they showed the New Generation Crowdfunding I said the only stage I would back would be a WCW stage. I did and then I had to wait on the whims of others to decide if I was going to be able to obtain it. So no thanks. I don’t want the fate of something I truly want left in the hands of others. So I would rather not be shown something I would want and then hope that others like it enough to back it. I would rather just not see/hope of it. To your point - - - I do feel like I've totally wasted a whole lot of time checking that damn MC site, following the thread, & engaging in arguments on here about the value of this really nice item with people who had no intention of buying it to begin with. This whole project feels like a complete waste of time at this point and no, I don't think I'd want to get involved in any future crowdfunds. The dedicated fans are now left empty-handed and the idiots are sitting there snickering saying "we told you so". |
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Post by kirk815 on May 6, 2023 19:03:05 GMT -5
I know Mattel said they won't use the crowdfunds to fund figures and they seem hesitant to do it for interview sets, but I hope they pursue that (if there is another one). Do a funeral Parlor Set for like $180-$200 that includes the set/props and an UE Paul Bearer and Warrior (when he was locked in the casket) at 5K. 7K unlocks Papa Shango with an awesome cape and accessories. 9K unlocks Jake the Snake in his heel attire (black flames) and an UE Lucifer.Focus on figures that might not get any or a lot of UE released through different means. Use like one mass appeal figure to help sell (Warrior, Hogan, Macho, etc.). Don't pigeonhole yourself with self inflicted "rules" like the MNW line now where they had to wear the attire on Raw or Nitro or the Collesium Collection where they had to have been previously released as a LJN. It's great to focus first on the people available that had LJNs released, but I think most of us would also like to see people from that era released in the CC line that didn't have a LJN (like Mr. Perfect for example). Did Jake ever wear his black or blue flames attire on the funeral Parlor? I don't know or care, I just want an ultimate edition of it vs. some obscure attire he might have wore on the show. I'd be all for this. I like the addition of Papa Shango, though I don't think he ever appeared on the funeral parlor, he seems to fit the theme. Plus, I don't think Papa Shango would get an Ultimate Edition figure otherwise - he'd be like the Doink of the set. I also like the addition of a heel Jake, though, Lucifer was his second python after Earthquake squashed Damien, and I don't remember him carrying a python as a heel (in 1991/92), but an Ultimate Edition cobra would be great - I don't think he ever named his cobra snake. If they don't go with this, I wouldn't mind the funeral parlor set from the segment that Flair and Hogan met for the first time on TV. First tier is the main set and the UE Paul Bearer figure (who probably wouldn't get an UE figure otherwise). Tier 2 could be Hogan and the Hogan casket. Tier three could be Ric Flair and maybe another casket that would fit with the Funeral Parlor stage. Early bird special could be Warrior with a Warrior casket. |
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