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Post by joebaia88 on Mar 6, 2008 17:34:36 GMT -5
That's really not true. There's a long list of talent that Vince has brought in from other promotions that have been pushed in the WWE and have had long and successful careers there. Eddie, Benoit, Mysterio and Jericho all immediately spring to mind. All held world titles, all of them have or had good spots on the card usually and were never depushed to look stupid or foolish. Granted Jericho and Mysterio's title reigns weren't well booked, but they still put the strap on both guys and their both still way over with the crowds. Goldberg as well, for the year he was with the E was pushed very heavily. He went over Rock, HHH (twice) and Lesnar and held the World Title in the process. Hell, how about Foley and Austin? Both guys worked for WCW for a while before they worked for WWF/E. Ok, they didn't jump ship straight from WCW, but Vince didn't bury them did he? If anything he made them 2 of the biggest stars of the attitude era and in the history of wrestling. I think it's a common misconception that Vince buries any talent that he didn't create. His track record is pretty impressive to say the least. but guys like Foley, Austin he had to repackage them in his own way before giving them their push. Foley could have been over as Cactus Jack but McMahon felt the need for Mankind and honestly the 'demented" Mankind was a crap gimmick as well as the ringmaster Steve Austin. If it wasnt for Corporate Mankind and Stoncold (both of which were pretty much created by fans) both guys careers would have not went anywhere. I honestly dont think that Benoit having a 4month title reign and then being stuck in mid to lower mid card level feuds getting over. The only reason Mysterio got anywhere near the title was because of Eddie dying. If Eddie was alive Rey would still be a CW champion. Jericho grabbed the titles at Vengence but what has he done since he lost those belts??? Hes stuck right back in midcard level talent. Goldberg was surprisingly over. Hes pretty much the only one ill give any credit to of former major rival company stars that Vince puts over. I get what your saying, but the demented Manking gimmick was fantastic, and Foley was WAY OVER with it. His feud with The Undertaker really proves this. The crowd really responded to him in a great way because of his unorthodox style. But you have to remember, on top of Mankind AND Cactus Jack, Foley also wrestled as Dude Love. So in a way, Foley's gimmick was basically being a bit of a schizophrenic, because the crowd knew that the same guy played all 3 characters, and on air it was actually played up. So Vince really breathed new life into Foley by allowing him to portray a variety of characters. Also, at the time when Foley, Austin, Simmons etc came in and were repackaged from what they were originally, Vince was fighting a losing battle against WCW and may not have wanted people to see old WCW guys turn up on his show and have his show look like a bunch of WCW rejects. I'm not saying that's what he did for sure, but it's a strong possibility. By the time Benoit, Guerrero, Saturn and Malenko jumped ship in 2000, Vince had WCW well beaten, and a lot of the fans knew and respected how talented the Radicalz were, so they didn't need to alter them. Also, Mysterio was on his way to the main event scene before Eddie's death due to his big feud with Eddie through the Summer of 2005 and was mega over as a face. Eddie's death definately propelled Rey into the WHC scene, but I'd say he would have had a few shots at the title not long down the line without Eddie's death. Also, whatever happened with Jericho or Benoit's reigns, they were still given the gold. Jericho was made undisputed champ ahead of Austin and Rock, and also HHH could have returned from injury in December 2001 to challenge for the Title, but Vince decided against it to give Y2J the first undisputed championship. They may not have always main evented, but a lot of the talent I've mentioned have done incredibly well in the WWE and have gotten over with a lot of fans in the process.
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Post by Dan on Mar 6, 2008 19:29:47 GMT -5
It will be a Classic no doubt, but they seem to be building it as if they have never wrestled before. I was there live for that Evolution V HBK, Benoit and Edge Match, and even then the two main people I wanted to see lock up was Flair and Shawn Michaels.
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Post by thestartofnewera on Mar 6, 2008 20:34:07 GMT -5
Flair sucks now a days. All he does is chop and do back drops. He's als become sloppy. HBK and Flair never really clicked in the ring together so I'm not expecting much at all from the HBK/Flair match. This will no doubt be HBK's worst WrestlerMania match since his return. Are you serious you can't be then again your only 20. Flair does not suck Flair does not have nothing to prove to anyone. The man has been busting his behind off for a decade. HBK has done a lot for the business to but not as much as Flair has done ok. This match at Wrestlemania 24 will make HBK look very good and it will be a classic match that us WWE fans will never forget. HBK/Cena at Wrestlemania 24 is Shawn Michaels worst Wrestlemania match ever he it was so obvious that Cena was going to retain the WWE title and Cena can not wrestle for his life. HBK carried and made Cena look good in that match ok. Flair is 100 times better wrestler than Cena will ever be 20 years from now. I respect your opinion and no hard feelings meant I just wanted to leave my opinion on this.
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Post by Iron Man on Mar 6, 2008 20:38:00 GMT -5
Flair sucks now a days. All he does is chop and do back drops. He's als become sloppy. HBK and Flair never really clicked in the ring together so I'm not expecting much at all from the HBK/Flair match. This will no doubt be HBK's worst WrestlerMania match since his return. Are you serious you can't be then again your only 20. Flair does not suck Flair does not have nothing to prove to anyone. The man has been busting his behind off for a decade. HBK has done a lot for the business to but not as much as Flair has done ok. This match at Wrestlemania 24 will make HBK look very good and it will be a classic match that us WWE fans will never forget. HBK/Cena at Wrestlemania 24 is Shawn Michaels worst Wrestlemania match ever he it was so obvious that Cena was going to retain the WWE title and Cena can not wrestle for his life. HBK carried and made Cena look good in that match ok. Flair is 100 times better wrestler than Cena will ever be 20 years from now. I respect your opinion and no hard feelings meant I just wanted to leave my opinion on this. SO we can't tell that truth that as of this day, March 6th, 2008 Ric Flair Sucks? People, we are not talking about 30 years ago, no one is saying he sucked ass back then. We are tied of seeing this 90 year old flabby boddy barley making it alive every night trying to wrestle with a guy half his age.
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Post by thestartofnewera on Mar 6, 2008 20:44:01 GMT -5
Are you serious you can't be then again your only 20. Flair does not suck Flair does not have nothing to prove to anyone. The man has been busting his behind off for a decade. HBK has done a lot for the business to but not as much as Flair has done ok. This match at Wrestlemania 24 will make HBK look very good and it will be a classic match that us WWE fans will never forget. HBK/Cena at Wrestlemania 24 is Shawn Michaels worst Wrestlemania match ever he it was so obvious that Cena was going to retain the WWE title and Cena can not wrestle for his life. HBK carried and made Cena look good in that match ok. Flair is 100 times better wrestler than Cena will ever be 20 years from now. I respect your opinion and no hard feelings meant I just wanted to leave my opinion on this. SO we can't tell that truth that as of this day, March 6th, 2008 Ric Flair Sucks? People, we are not talking about 30 years ago, no one is saying he sucked ass back then. We are tied of seeing this 90 year old flabby boddy barley making it alive every night trying to wrestle with a guy half his age. Listen up first off Flair is there now to help the new talent get over. If you have so much love for the business why retire. Obviously Flair still has a lot love and respect for wrestling and he not ready to retire. No matter what you say about Flair that man is the best wrestler to ever step into that ring. You can sit and say flair sucks but a true wrestling fan that knows wrestling will tell you that Ric Flair does not suck don't matter if Flair is 100 years old.
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Post by Iron Man on Mar 6, 2008 20:47:51 GMT -5
SO we can't tell that truth that as of this day, March 6th, 2008 Ric Flair Sucks? People, we are not talking about 30 years ago, no one is saying he sucked ass back then. We are tied of seeing this 90 year old flabby boddy barley making it alive every night trying to wrestle with a guy half his age. Listen up first off Flair is there now to help the new talent get over. If you have so much love for the business why retire. Obviously Flair still has a lot love and respect for wrestling and he not ready to retire. No matter what you say about Flair that man is the best wrestler to ever step into that ring. You can sit and say flair sucks but a true wrestling fan that knows wrestling will tell you that Ric Flair does not suck don't matter if Flair is 100 years old. Who has he put over in the last 2 years? A handful of guys, tbh. Vince McMahon has been a promoter for many years, where is his respect?
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Post by jake_317 on Mar 6, 2008 23:21:13 GMT -5
ehh...
the old school and new school fans always have something to argue over. Personally, I love Flair and i think its near impossible to deny his impact on pro wrestling. I personally enjoyed some of his recent RAW matches against Orton and HHH.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Mar 7, 2008 0:03:15 GMT -5
Flair sucks now a days. All he does is chop and do back drops. He's als become sloppy. HBK and Flair never really clicked in the ring together so I'm not expecting much at all from the HBK/Flair match. This will no doubt be HBK's worst WrestlerMania match since his return. Are you serious you can't be then again your only 20. Flair does not suck Flair does not have nothing to prove to anyone. The man has been busting his behind off for a decade. HBK has done a lot for the business to but not as much as Flair has done ok. This match at Wrestlemania 24 will make HBK look very good and it will be a classic match that us WWE fans will never forget. HBK/Cena at Wrestlemania 24 is Shawn Michaels worst Wrestlemania match ever he it was so obvious that Cena was going to retain the WWE title and Cena can not wrestle for his life. HBK carried and made Cena look good in that match ok. Flair is 100 times better wrestler than Cena will ever be 20 years from now. I respect your opinion and no hard feelings meant I just wanted to leave my opinion on this. Says the guy with a John Cena hoodie. Hypocrite much?
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Post by thestartofnewera on Mar 7, 2008 0:32:48 GMT -5
Are you serious you can't be then again your only 20. Flair does not suck Flair does not have nothing to prove to anyone. The man has been busting his behind off for a decade. HBK has done a lot for the business to but not as much as Flair has done ok. This match at Wrestlemania 24 will make HBK look very good and it will be a classic match that us WWE fans will never forget. HBK/Cena at Wrestlemania 24 is Shawn Michaels worst Wrestlemania match ever he it was so obvious that Cena was going to retain the WWE title and Cena can not wrestle for his life. HBK carried and made Cena look good in that match ok. Flair is 100 times better wrestler than Cena will ever be 20 years from now. I respect your opinion and no hard feelings meant I just wanted to leave my opinion on this. Says the guy with a John Cena hoodie. Hypocrite much? I think you have the wrong person there. That is so not me.. I'm a die hard Triple H fan. It's not good to spread fake news on here that is not true. I think the moderators should consider this Undisputed Kid a threat to wrestling figs
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Mar 7, 2008 0:47:13 GMT -5
Says the guy with a John Cena hoodie. Hypocrite much? I think you have the wrong person there. That is so not me.. I'm a die hard Triple H fan. It's not good to spread fake news on here that is not true. I think the moderators should consider this Undisputed Kid a threat to wrestling figs LOL Are you ing serious? Considering I was the one that took this picture when I considered you a friend rather than a douche.
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Post by thestartofnewera on Mar 7, 2008 0:49:54 GMT -5
I think you have the wrong person there. That is so not me.. I'm a die hard Triple H fan. It's not good to spread fake news on here that is not true. I think the moderators should consider this Undisputed Kid a threat to wrestling figs LOL Are you ing serious? Considering I was the one that took this picture when I considered you a friend rather than a douche. First off I'm far from a douche. Who Are You? I never saw you in my life. It's not cool to make false statements about other members on here that are not true. You really got me mixed up for someone else. I would greatly appreciate it if you stop making false pics and statements about me that are not true.
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Post by mike massacre on Mar 7, 2008 0:53:19 GMT -5
Lmao, this guy is a douche. We're sitting there trying to watch the show, and this dude comes up to us "OMgz I gotZ TeH ZeE Ez nE tRiplE H"...Like honestly, the figure came out, how many years ago? LOL at the fact that he says John Cena sucks, yet he owns a Cena hoodie.
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Post by thestartofnewera on Mar 7, 2008 0:58:21 GMT -5
Lmao, this guy is a douche. We're sitting there trying to watch the show, and this dude comes up to us "OMgz I gotZ TeH ZeE Ez nE tRiplE H"...Like honestly, the figure came out, how many years ago? LOL at the fact that he says John Cena sucks, yet he owns a Cena hoodie. You have the wrong person whoever you are. What did they person above me Undisputed Kid tell you to leave this. I mean come on how can you sit here and make false statements about someone you don't know or never seen. I think the both of you just need the attention and have very low self esteem that is the reason why you leave false statements about other members on the forum. If your looking for the attention go out side with 2 yellow bananas and run around a tree then run up it then maybe the next door neighbor will take pics and all the spotlight will be on you.
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Post by thestartofnewera on Mar 7, 2008 0:59:26 GMT -5
I think you have the wrong person there. That is so not me.. I'm a die hard Triple H fan. It's not good to spread fake news on here that is not true. I think the moderators should consider this Undisputed Kid a threat to wrestling figs LOL Are you ing serious? Considering I was the one that took this picture when I considered you a friend rather than a douche. You have the wrong person whoever you are. What did they person above me Undisputed Kid tell you to leave this. I mean come on how can you sit here and make false statements about someone you don't know or never seen. I think the both of you just need the attention and have very low self esteem that is the reason why you leave false statements about other members on the forum. If your looking for the attention go out side with 2 yellow bananas and run around a tree then run up it then maybe the next door neighbor will take pics and all the spotlight will be on you.
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Post by mike massacre on Mar 7, 2008 1:02:38 GMT -5
Lmao, this guy is a douche. We're sitting there trying to watch the show, and this dude comes up to us "OMgz I gotZ TeH ZeE Ez nE tRiplE H"...Like honestly, the figure came out, how many years ago? LOL at the fact that he says John Cena sucks, yet he owns a Cena hoodie. You have the wrong person whoever you are. What did they person above me Undisputed Kid tell you to leave this. I mean come on how can you sit here and make false statements about someone you don't know or never seen. I think the both of you just need the attention and have very low self esteem that is the reason why you leave false statements about other members on the forum. If your looking for the attention go out side with 2 yellow bananas and run around a tree then run up it then maybe the next door neighbor will take pics and all the spotlight will be on you. That was the worst comeback I've ever heard in my life. And I've heard some pretty bad ones.
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Post by Mark on Mar 7, 2008 2:19:07 GMT -5
Lmao, this guy is a douche. We're sitting there trying to watch the show, and this dude comes up to us "OMgz I gotZ TeH ZeE Ez nE tRiplE H"...Like honestly, the figure came out, how many years ago? LOL at the fact that he says John Cena sucks, yet he owns a Cena hoodie. can you type normal. I hate when people type noob and you cant understand them
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Post by jmac33208 on Mar 7, 2008 7:54:32 GMT -5
Wow you guys just went on for a whole page because someone has a cena hoodie. Thats crazy. Who cares. Maybe he just likes what it says on there.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 7, 2008 8:43:30 GMT -5
I think you have the wrong person there. That is so not me.. I'm a die hard Triple H fan. It's not good to spread fake news on here that is not true. I think the moderators should consider this Undisputed Kid a threat to wrestling figs LOL Are you ing serious? Considering I was the one that took this picture when I considered you a friend rather than a douche. i want to break one off inside alicia so bad its not funny....i dont see why she quit. College is sooo overrated
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