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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 1:46:14 GMT -5
Because it's the only real studio in town. That was beautiful. A real love letter to the art of an Essayist's rebuttal.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2016 1:29:35 GMT -5
Well, in the case of AJ Styles, he's done everything he can do outside of WWE. Now, when he's at the absolute top of his game as a total package performer, he's in the biggest wrestling promotion in the world. I could really argue the same for Aries and Joe, who aren't getting main roster treatment but have still done it all in ROH and TNA. It solidifies those names. It gives credence to those guys as performers. AJ Styles was always that guy that fans loved unconditionally that everyone outside of the TNA fanbase, and more recently the ROH/NJPW fanbase, said could never be in WWE, and look how wrong those people are right now. That makes me happy. Sure, it's a petty belief, but AJ deserves every bit of this run, and I've already seen him wrestle everyone under the sun outside of WWE. The world we live in now is vastly different than the world just a few years ago. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins. We have Cesaro, Ambrose, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, Apollo Crews, and all of these guys are making a difference, and the fans enjoy them. All of these guys who so many of us have been ridiculed for enjoying outside of the WWE product, are now becoming the biggest stars inside the WWE. That means something. That validation is important and gives merit to the companies and talent all over the world who could one day fuel the WWE roster. I can see the argument for wanting guys to stick around if there is more for them to do, but you have to ask yourself, what's left? I look at a guy like Adam Cole, who could have conceivably left for WWE two and a half years ago. We wouldn't have gotten those Jay Briscoe matches, we wouldn't have gotten Mount Rushmore or the Kingdom, I wouldn't have seen those two matches from War of the Worlds, and I wouldn't have had the opportunity to see them revisit the Future Shock feud. But now? Now Mount Rushmore is over, now the Kingdom is over, now the Bullet Clubs time in ROH is done and I won't be seeing anymore AJ Styles vs Adam Cole matches... unless of course it happens in WWE, BAYBAY! Listen, Seth Rollins likely isn't ever going to have a match like he had with Davey at DBD8. But you know what, he's already had a half dozen classics with Dean Ambrose, he had an incredible match with John Cena and Brock Lesnar at Royal Rumble, the best match in WWE of 2015 imo, he won the WWE Title in the main event of WrestleMania in front of 76,000 people, and he got to wrestle Sting for the WWE Title, a guy who he dressed up as for Halloween when he was a kid. I mean that's not a movie Seth Rollins can make at IFC, this is a Buena Vista production. Nothing Rollins was ever going to do in Ring of Honor was ever going to compare to what he did at WrestleMania 31, period. I'm onboard with the idea that WWE limits pro wrestling. They work a far more conservative style of matches that have a formula that appeases a more simple type of fan. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but what I mean is a fan who hasn't seen everything under the sun and can still buy into punch, kick, finisher. I saw Warrior vs Hogan, Bret vs Shawn, I was there when the NWO formed and when Sting became the hottest star in wrestling, I was there when DX started telling everyone to suck it, and when Austin drank his way to the top, and I was there when WCW folded, when we got Invasions, we saw the rise of a new wave of wrestlers like Brock, Eddie, Benoit, and Angle, and I was there when Cena became the next Hulk Hogan, and when Edge finally broke through the ceiling, and when CM Punk dropped a pipe bomb on the industry as a whole. I've seen 25 years of wrestling and at some point, you get sick of seeing WWE do what WWE does, which is why I absolutely love places like TNA, PWG, NJPW and ROH. The only reason I even know who AJ Styles is right now is because WWE bought WCW. That led me to watching World Wrestling All-Stars, which led me to TNA, which opened up a whole new world for me as a wrestling fan. I've kind of run off on a tangent here, but I'll try and wrap this up. WWE has a global reach. If I am a fan of guy, I want that guy to have as much success as humanly possible. The only company that gives you global recognition is WWE. Nobody is a bigger star than Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin. Austin had great matches in WCW, Hogan was great in Japan, but it was WWE that made those guys a household brand. There is only one place to make a film like Star Wars in the wrestling business and that's in WWE. First & foremost, EVERY promotion needs to limit the spot monkey shirt. My frustration comes from a failure to innovate in them aspect of creativity. I want clever wrestling, not video game acrobatic fighting. There is a much needed balance. Secondly, a great match in a less than grand setting beats the fool out of a so-so match at a Super-Card. Shane Koyzcan, for example, is my favorite spoken word/slam poet. Shane performed at the Winter Olympics opening ceremony, but his delivery wasn't his best. An amazing moment for him, his home nation of Canada, & for poetry in them public eye, but it wasn't his greatest performance. His greatest performance come at a storytelling festival in a Hotel Convention Hall/Auditorium type venue, where he performed "The Crickets Have Arthritis." It is one of the most sincere declaration of free-verse that has ever been uttered. My opinion of them piece has only improved, the more I study poetry. That's why Bret Hart amazed me as a teenager, when I first became a fan. Bret Heart's matches only got better as I learned. Hogan, Rock, Austin, & Cena's matches have become more insufferable. Moving on, I understand AJ going, & while Gallows was fired before, I'm sure he's happy to have his fat check back. And while Karl is probably happy to just collect the payday, Nakamura & Aries are them ones that baffle me the most.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 28, 2016 4:26:29 GMT -5
Professional Wrestling is an art form born of improvisational live performance, as led by the initiative of portraying a legitimate contest. It is a painful irony that art with such an origin, would be most widely consumed by the world, when it is the least loyal to its roots.
The wrestling profession has been stripped from the hands of the territorial bookers, & plopped on the conference room tables of writing teams. Ensembles of over-educated imbeciles who haven't the foggiest inkling of how to translate their story-smith knowledge to the squared circle. The utter misuse of the roster's strongest talents is definitive proof, of the problems among the monkeys since they ain't cranking out Shakespeare.
My concern over this issue has grown grown by leaps & bounds, since the first announcement of WWE's recent influx of talent acquisitions. Pillars of the last vestige of the territories & titans of Puroresu such as Austin Aries, Shinsuke Nakamura, A.J. Styles, "Machine Gun," Karl Anderson, & Doc Gallows joining the world of Sports Entertainment(all except for Gallows) for the first time.
These men have created prolific bodies of work, respected by well studied fans the world over. They all have contributed to matches that define the standards of Matdom greatness in our age.
How did they achieve their greatness? By wrestling for promotions that let them be great. Occasional botch & bad story-arc aside, these 5 men have overcome almost everything to become future legends. However, Turnbuckle Vaudeville's answer to Hollywood, has a rather prolifically bad habit of degrading actors that aren't "Made," from working in their movies.
So the question stands. If you don't enjoy the way WWE has booked the majority of it's wrestlers, what makes you think you'll enjoy what WWE does with these 5 stars?
If you haven't loved or even greatly liked the movies of a certain studio company, & they make grabs at actors you love for their work in other projects, what makes you think the studio will actually do much better with these new actors?
If you don't like the studio, & know they won't change, why want your favorite actors to go there?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 28, 2016 3:54:02 GMT -5
You have missed on literally some of the greatest matches of this century, then. Joe vs Punk was THE match in 2004 for American Indy Wrestling. Eh, thanks. But at 43 I am set in my ways. I will only watch WWF. however I did see the WWF produced ECW and wcw DVDs. What about AWA or All Japan Pro? Those were great promotions. Also, if you can comprehend the concept of being "set in your ways," then you have no logic behind choosing to be that way. Don't ever choose to stop growing & learning, good sir. Death will do it for us all, eventually, so we must make the most of life. That truth rings far more loudly today than most days, for us wrestling fans, given the legend who died this day 23 years ago.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 28, 2016 1:02:31 GMT -5
I am not a kid and do not know them at all either. Been watching only WWF since WM3 You have missed on literally some of the greatest matches of this century, then. Joe vs Punk was THE match in 2004 for American Indy Wrestling.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 24, 2016 1:58:43 GMT -5
Was supposed to go to the ROH show in Georgia tonight but weather didn't allow me to make it :/ Join the ducking club!!! Seriously, duck you winter storm Jonas! You're three boys are crapty singers.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 21, 2016 3:06:45 GMT -5
He could have been a God in ROH again. I'm just hoping they don't ruin him. He is one the greatest champions of all Honor.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 19, 2016 3:16:00 GMT -5
So it turns out Cortez has Antonio FREAKING INOKI!!! listed as one of his trainers on Wikipedia. He was also an ROH tag-team champion. I've actually found at least 7 RANDOM AS Indy Wrestlers who have Antonio Inoki listed as someone who trained them at one point. I think TJ Perkins/Manik was the weirdest one.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 16, 2016 3:06:19 GMT -5
Then you're part of the problem. Lqtm I hope you have a great time, & don't drink beer with GLUTEN! My dad doesn't have disease he just needs to drink less. Asian Fart Fetish..... XD!
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 16, 2016 2:45:59 GMT -5
There's an ROH merchandise booth for Shirts & DVDs, & High spots.com almost always has a merchandise booth featuring NJPW shirts, PWG DVDs, & a general buffet of wrestling goodness. Have fun, chant ROH until you have an out of body experience, & don't break kayfabe. That's not my style. lol Thanks for filling me in. I've been off and on ROH for almost ten years and I'm really excited to go. Then you're part of the problem. Lqtm I hope you have a great time, & don't drink beer with GLUTEN!
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 15, 2016 4:04:28 GMT -5
Tonga & Fale could become THE Gaijin team of Japan. Not a major Gaijin team, THE Gaijin team. I'm just praying someone lets them EAT the young bucks. Just DEVOURS THEM & grinds their bones into a fine powder. How specific. Hoping the Bucks would leave the Junior Heavyweight Tag Team scene alone and represent the ROH World Tag Team Titles in Japan. Unlike Sons of Tonga they've been champions on and off for far too long. Bring someone from Bullet Club Latin America over and have them team with Chase to win the Junior tags. But yeah, Fale and Tonga on top of the tag division? Maybe even top of the singles titles as well? yes. Absolute monsters. When Kevin Kelly called Fale the Silent Assassin, I thought that was pure gold and should be used as his gimmick, Bucks are more close to Kenny as an Underboss style character. Tama needs some mic work to bring his Bad Boy out. First off, I would give up 190 million dollars to have Young Bunks & all of the Attitude Era style garbage that has ruined wrestling erased. Moving on, Fale would benefit from that pursuing that persona tremendously. I just want Tonga to lift the AXE that is Haku's mantle of being a warrior. Harking back to the Gaijin monsters & the standards of old, when the dominant masters of the ring were truly unlike anything on Earth. I know he can do it. He can make Harley prouder than proud, damn it.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 15, 2016 3:47:26 GMT -5
Moose vs Silas Young in Indianapolis? Hmmm...interesting... I get to see Moose vs Adam Cole this Saturday. Very excited! Speaking of which, I've never been to RoH live before. Does anyone know if they have a generic merch setup, or if talent sells their own product? There's an ROH merchandise booth for Shirts & DVDs, & High spots.com almost always has a merchandise booth featuring NJPW shirts, PWG DVDs, & a general buffet of wrestling goodness. Have fun, chant ROH until you have an out of body experience, & don't break kayfabe.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 15, 2016 3:39:51 GMT -5
Didn't he wrestle like 5 hours straight for charity? He wrestled 3 hours without more than 3 minutes rest at a time. I watched their footage, & Rich Swann & Jason Kincaid participated. Chris Hero is better than Zack Sabre Jr. He's better than AJ Styles, he's more well rounded than most Indy marks' professed "Best in the world" selections. And to the OP, just hush with your nonsense.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 15, 2016 3:33:18 GMT -5
I always feel Tama has been underlooked in New Japan, he plays the savage role well. Only if Fale joins him, but that won't happen for at least two years. At this point I'd rather see Sons of Tonga win either the NEVER Openweight Six Man Tags with Yujiro or win the IWGP Heavyweight Tag Team. Now is their time to shine, that Gun\Gallows are leaving. Always thought those two deserved better instead of being AJ's tag partner when he wasn't working a G1 Climax match. Tonga & Fale could become THE Gaijin team of Japan. Not a major Gaijin team, THE Gaijin team. I'm just praying someone lets them EAT the young bucks. Just DEVOURS THEM & grinds their bones into a fine powder.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 13, 2016 6:03:45 GMT -5
Lou Thesz, damn it! Literally God damn it, Allah Damn it, Odin, Khrishna, Cthulu damn it!
He was an inaugural class inductee for the REAL Hall of Fame, why can't someone in WWE acknowledge his importance?
There would be no HHH or NXT, or much of a wrestling business at all without him.
He will literally be 100 years old posthumously this year.
As for the original list, I would save JBL for when he's older. I honestly don't think they should be inducting late 90s stars at all just yet.
I would add Victoria, & Lemmy as the celebrity wing inductee, thus concluding this year's class.
Play me out to Badstreet, Boys!
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 7, 2016 16:02:32 GMT -5
His 2nd option is actually want of the most well thought out plans I've ever seen for this problem.
The only thing I could add to it, would be to have WWE strengthen it's affiliation with Evolve & offer their talent opportunities to work NXT show in the absence of the NXT regulars.
As a Booker, I see serious opportunity in the idea.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 6, 2016 4:27:35 GMT -5
Jay Lethal should use his interview/ring promo time as an opportunity to state only three men of the ALL of the champions who defended their gold at Wrestle-Kingdom succeeded. The top two champions in ALL of New Japan Pro Wrestling, & the greatest first generation wrestler in the world. It would make great interview fodder. That match he had with Elgin is nothing to brag about. He's.....A.....Heel. That just adds fuel to the flame. And I'm sure Lethal & Elgin of all pairings couldn't have been that bad.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 6, 2016 3:25:59 GMT -5
Jay Lethal should use his interview/ring promo time as an opportunity to state only three men of the ALL of the champions who defended their gold at Wrestle-Kingdom succeeded. The top two champions in ALL of New Japan Pro Wrestling, & the greatest first generation wrestler in the world. It would make great interview fodder.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 4, 2016 23:11:38 GMT -5
Why the Hell would Shinsuke Nakamura consider leaving New Japan? I don't believe this.
With how horrible the booking has been, why would we want anyone as good as Nakamura & Styles to be misused by such a terrible company?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 1, 2016 15:36:33 GMT -5
In light of the horrendous booking of Seth Rollins' World Title Reign, I'd like to tip my hat to Dean Ambrose for being the single hardest working wrestler in WWE. Seth wasn't actually booked horribly as champ. You want horribly booked champs, the prime examples are Rey Mysterio's first WHC reign and his WWE Championship reign. At least Rollins wasn't losing every week to The Big Show. The thing about Rollins is while we all HATE cowardly heel characters and we're all anxious for a badass bad guy, Rollins is so good at playing the scumbag who never wins because he always gets himself DQ'd, a majority of his losses I bet were by DQ or count out. But that could just be me. It would have been more valuable to have him steal victories more often than get disqualified so often. I suppose "horrendous" is a poor choice of word, given that I enjoyed various matches throughout his tenure.
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