powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 25, 2019 14:10:56 GMT -5
As others have said, people getting Maximus Buttimus Hurtimus about figures of obscure characters shows that this chase concept is working. It's not about being but hurt about not finding "obscure" figures in stores. It is, I am a wrestling fan. I like wrestling enough that I want to buy a figure of a male or female character. This "chase" concept is taking away the fun of buying wrestling figures. Scalpers come in and snatch up anything they can resell for a 700% markup. Then what do I do if I can't buy the figure I would like to buy ? Either pay the scalper prices or just give up and quit collecting altogether. Neither of these options are good for mattel or the wrestling fan long term.
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Post by LA Times on Oct 25, 2019 15:08:13 GMT -5
As others have said, people getting Maximus Buttimus Hurtimus about figures of obscure characters shows that this chase concept is working. It's not about being but hurt about not finding "obscure" figures in stores. It is, I am a wrestling fan. I like wrestling enough that I want to buy a figure of a male or female character. This "chase" concept is taking away the fun of buying wrestling figures. Scalpers come in and snatch up anything they can resell for a 700% markup. Then what do I do if I can't buy the figure I would like to buy ?Either pay the scalper prices or just give up and quit collecting altogether. Neither of these options are good for mattel or the wrestling fan long term. Your best option is to not have it. Its a toy, not a necessity.
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Post by CM Poor on Oct 25, 2019 15:46:39 GMT -5
As others have said, people getting Maximus Buttimus Hurtimus about figures of obscure characters shows that this chase concept is working. It's not about being but hurt about not finding "obscure" figures in stores. It is, I am a wrestling fan. I like wrestling enough that I want to buy a figure of a male or female character. This "chase" concept is taking away the fun of buying wrestling figures. Scalpers come in and snatch up anything they can resell for a 700% markup. Then what do I do if I can't buy the figure I would like to buy ?Either pay the scalper prices or just give up and quit collecting altogether. Neither of these options are good for mattel or the wrestling fan long term. Go without. I was 13 when Owen Hart died. His death happened during the same general time frame that DTA Series 2 was just hitting Wal-Mart stores (*gasp* a store exclusive). I won't pretend to know what the case assortments were for those figures back then (and regardless, at six figures a set, there were only so many to go around), but nevertheless, the exterior demand for what would be the last figure produced of Owen Hart in any capacity meant that I would never stumble across that figure at a Wal-Mart store (and you'd better believe that I happened across copious amounts of the remaining figures in the set). I'd like to tell you that my life from May of 1999 until May of 2018 (when I finally came to own the elusive mish-mash of Patriot and Bret Hart parts that Jakks called the Blue Blazer) was smooth sailing, but it wasn't. Nevertheless, I can blame exactly none of the troubles I faced over the course of that 19 year stretch on my never having owned a Blue Blazer figure. It's also worth noting that my inability to get a figure I wanted wasn't at related to my decision to stop collecting a couple of years later. The circumstances were considerably different, but the core of the matter is the same: I am (and was) a wrestling fan. I liked wrestling enough that I wanted to buy a figure of a male or female character. "Scalpers" (come on) came in and snatched up everything they could resell for a considerable markup. I'd have looked a fool making as much drama out of it then, at thirteen, as some people are now. As someone who's scooped up every figure that eluded me in my youth, trust me - if it's that important to you, eventually you'll get it, and if you're smart, you won't even pay that much.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 25, 2019 16:01:03 GMT -5
It's not about being but hurt about not finding "obscure" figures in stores. It is, I am a wrestling fan. I like wrestling enough that I want to buy a figure of a male or female character. This "chase" concept is taking away the fun of buying wrestling figures. Scalpers come in and snatch up anything they can resell for a 700% markup. Then what do I do if I can't buy the figure I would like to buy ?Either pay the scalper prices or just give up and quit collecting altogether. Neither of these options are good for mattel or the wrestling fan long term. Your best option is to not have it. Its a toy, not a necessity. I knew when I posted that I would get some variation of that type of comeback. In grand scheme yes it's just a toy. Here we are on a wrestling toy forum posting our thoughts. Bottom line i would just like a level playing field. So everyone has a fair chance to buy all the wrestling figures they want in store or online.
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Post by LA Times on Oct 25, 2019 16:35:15 GMT -5
Your best option is to not have it. Its a toy, not a necessity. I knew when I posted that I would get some variation of that type of comeback. In grand scheme yes it's just a toy. Here we are on a wrestling toy forum posting our thoughts. Bottom line i would just like a level playing field. So everyone has a fair chance to buy all the wrestling figures they want in store or online. Hasbro releases many GI Joe figures I want to buy as annual GI Joe Convention Exclusives, meaning you have to be at a convention that takes place once a year in a particular city in order to buy those figures. That is even less of a fair chance than what Mattel is doing with these store exclusives, but I am not angry at Hasbro for doing it.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 25, 2019 17:37:22 GMT -5
Your best option is to not have it. Its a toy, not a necessity. I knew when I posted that I would get some variation of that type of comeback. In grand scheme yes it's just a toy. Here we are on a wrestling toy forum posting our thoughts. Bottom line i would just like a level playing field. So everyone has a fair chance to buy all the wrestling figures they want in store or online. So you want every store to have unlimited stock of every wrestling figure ever made, just so that everyone can always get every wrestling figure they want? That's very unrealistic. If that's not what you mean, then what exactly do you mean by "level playing field" and "fair chance"?
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Post by lu21780 on Oct 25, 2019 20:39:13 GMT -5
I knew when I posted that I would get some variation of that type of comeback. In grand scheme yes it's just a toy. Here we are on a wrestling toy forum posting our thoughts. Bottom line i would just like a level playing field. So everyone has a fair chance to buy all the wrestling figures they want in store or online. So you want every store to have unlimited stock of every wrestling figure ever made, just so that everyone can always get every wrestling figure they want? That's very unrealistic. If that's not what you mean, then what exactly do you mean by "level playing field" and "fair chance"? I dont want to put words in his mouth. But my interpretation is. Keep more supply out on the shelves not in a case in the back. Keep the product flowing into the stores as much as possible considering the distribution problems of course. Move the peg warmers to a bin at the end of an aisle like the discount dvds even they arent on sale. I do my fair share of complaining but in the end I always say this in related posts. We are collectors and these are the cards we've been dealt. We either work with and do our best to find these exclusives and in my case if I want it bad enough to the point I cant live without this little plastic man. I'll give in and without regrets pay a scalper price because "i want it that bad". If not I can live to be 5000 years old just fine without it. I'm in it until mattel loses the license after that I'm out. This is my last go around as a collector. But we must make the best of it if we want to continue collecting these figures. I wish it would be easier but its not.
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Post by CM Poor on Oct 25, 2019 21:17:21 GMT -5
I would just like to say something off of what powerfred3k said about the level playing field. That is actually a zoning issue. So thank you.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 25, 2019 22:05:59 GMT -5
I knew when I posted that I would get some variation of that type of comeback. In grand scheme yes it's just a toy. Here we are on a wrestling toy forum posting our thoughts. Bottom line i would just like a level playing field. So everyone has a fair chance to buy all the wrestling figures they want in store or online. So you want every store to have unlimited stock of every wrestling figure ever made, just so that everyone can always get every wrestling figure they want? That's very unrealistic. If that's not what you mean, then what exactly do you mean by "level playing field" and "fair chance"? Level playing field = No Exclusives.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 26, 2019 8:11:15 GMT -5
So you want every store to have unlimited stock of every wrestling figure ever made, just so that everyone can always get every wrestling figure they want? That's very unrealistic. If that's not what you mean, then what exactly do you mean by "level playing field" and "fair chance"? Level playing field = No Exclusives. Well, “no exclusives” is silly nonsense anyway - most of the big toy lines have retailer exclusives. But how, in your head, does getting rid of exclusives suddenly level a playing field or enable every person in the world to buy any wrestling figure they want at any store they go into? It’s just magical fantasy that has no relation to reality.
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Post by poindizzle on Oct 26, 2019 8:46:15 GMT -5
Love how everyone that comes on here to meticulously pore over every proto pic and desire things for their collection act like other people are silly for doing the same thing and try to tell people to go without something. It sounds as though privilege is fine when you have it and when someone else doesnt they're just a crybaby. And the "too cool to collect toys and geek out about them" schtick sucks.
We aren't well. To the rest of the world what we do is foolish so maybe cut someone some slack when they really really really want something but can't afford it, or live in a scalper heavy area, or live too far away from stores with exclusives, or live in other countries where they don't have access at all.
This board has turned into a collection of a-hole know it alls peering through their monacles and past their champagne flutes to call others silly for wanting things the same as everyone else.
All I know is 10 years ago we got obscure names and we didn't have chase nonsense and maybe it didn't work out but that is ultimately all anyone is trying to figure out is what broke, what changed, and why are they throwing constant obstacles in our course. Weird late stage capitalism at play when y'all defend megacorporate Mattel so much for making your hobby hard.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Oct 26, 2019 8:57:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the obvious answer is to not make first time figures like Liv and Pete Dunne the exclusives.
You can make all the Rocks, Cenas, Styles, etc exclusives and people would still buy them because they are exclusives.
They may not have the resale value, but Mattel doesnt profit from that so it shouldn't matter. Hell, maybe then the resellers would slow down and people who (gasp!) Actually want the figure can find it.
I'm ready for the usual "oh look, someone that can run a company better than the people who run the company" bs. I too have had to lean on a crutch when I had no other defense.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 26, 2019 9:47:23 GMT -5
Level playing field = No Exclusives. Well, “no exclusives” is silly nonsense anyway - most of the big toy lines have retailer exclusives. But how, in your head, does getting rid of exclusives suddenly level a playing field or enable every person in the world to buy any wrestling figure they want at any store they go into? It’s just magical fantasy that has no relation to reality. Why is it nonsense to want something better ? For the first few years of mattels wwe run there where no exclusives other than ringside. I am saying lets go back to that. Make it easier to buy wrestling figures and more people will enjoy the hobby.
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Post by legendsguy on Oct 26, 2019 10:19:48 GMT -5
lol "your not living in reality bro" finally you trolls pump out a new line...
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 26, 2019 11:09:42 GMT -5
Well, “no exclusives” is silly nonsense anyway - most of the big toy lines have retailer exclusives. But how, in your head, does getting rid of exclusives suddenly level a playing field or enable every person in the world to buy any wrestling figure they want at any store they go into? It’s just magical fantasy that has no relation to reality. Why is it nonsense to want something better ? For the first few years of mattels wwe run there where no exclusives other than ringside. False. Toys R Us had WWE Mattel exclusives right from day one. There was an SDCC exclusive Undertaker in 2010 too. Kmart, Walmart and Target also always had exclusives - they just became more focused on Walmart and Target after TRU went out of business. Retailer exclusives aren't a conspiracy from EVIL CORPORATION MATTEL to upset entitled wrestling figure collectors. They're something that the big retailers ask for. And there are very few big retailers of toys left, so Mattel will give the stable ones what they want. Mattel doesn't do a magic spell to get toys onto shelves. Retailers have to purchase them. Now we could say that Mattel should cut out the middleman and just sell to consumers directly online, but they tried that before and we just complained about prices and shipping and showed that there are enough consumers to support a WWE line surviving that way.
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Post by powerfred3k on Oct 26, 2019 12:01:42 GMT -5
Ok and yet the "Exclusives" are popping up on wweshop, rsc, going to the wrong retailer and popping up in discount retailers. That to me is the definition of a failure, compounded by all the scalpers making off like bandits.
My mistake on toysrus and k-mart and them having exclusives right off the bat. I forgot about them since one died and is trying a comeback. The other is a zombie that will not die aka kmart.
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Post by ryanpelley on Oct 26, 2019 12:23:43 GMT -5
My biggest problem with store exclusives isn't the fact that they exist. Hell, finding the ones that I do own was such a thrill that made me feel like a kid again. My gripe is that my local Target stores really suck when it comes to inventory / putting new figures on shelves. I know this is the case in plenty of areas, but I haven't seen half of the series that Target stores in other parts of the country have gotten. At that point, I just have to shrug and hope they show up one day (STILL WAITING ON NXT 4 RIP).
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 26, 2019 12:57:48 GMT -5
I hate them too but, I've traded for some of the ones that I couldn't find so that was a nice benefit
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 26, 2019 13:21:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the obvious answer is to not make first time figures like Liv and Pete Dunne the exclusives. You can make all the Rocks, Cenas, Styles, etc exclusives and people would still buy them because they are exclusives. They may not have the resale value, but Mattel doesnt profit from that so it shouldn't matter. Hell, maybe then the resellers would slow down and people who (gasp!) Actually want the figure can find it. I'm ready for the usual "oh look, someone that can run a company better than the people who run the company" bs. I too have had to lean on a crutch when I had no other defense. Bingo! That is 100% the problem with store exclusives. People who say they can run the company better have an armchair business degree. I have an actual business degree and I don't go around saying I could change things at Mattel
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Oct 26, 2019 13:25:49 GMT -5
Why do I have both Stooges, but have never seen a Pete Dunne or Sherri? Why was Backlund so easy to get, even if I didn’t want him? There’s just no rhyme or reason to these.
Target by default is gonna get less cases than Walmart and when Walmart does stupid S like get a ton of e64 when that’s Targets set and no one gets a chase.
Chases would be fine if someone was making sure they weren’t over ordering the wrong sets for their store and under ordering the ones that the exclusive they paid for is in...
At Xmas time WM had like 10 cases of e64 and maybe got one e65. Target got like one(maybe) case of e64 and a ton of Top Talents and e66....
Someone give me a goddamn job in logistics or whatever and I’ll slap stores that can’t figure this stuff out.
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