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Post by jking1979 on Aug 13, 2020 0:34:46 GMT -5
AEW doesn't have a superstar like Hulk Hogan or The Rock to take them to the next level. Neither Rocky Maivia or Terry Boulder were next level stars the first year in, I think AEW will be okay. They will be fine if being a second rate promotion is the goal and not competing with WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 0:40:17 GMT -5
Neither Rocky Maivia or Terry Boulder were next level stars the first year in, I think AEW will be okay. They will be fine if being a second rate promotion is the goal and not competing with WWE. Holy crap he responded. Snowjorden you've cracked the code! Let me try. Hulk Hogan is a snot rocket! That's a shoot brother
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 13, 2020 5:07:30 GMT -5
Neither Rocky Maivia or Terry Boulder were next level stars the first year in, I think AEW will be okay. They will be fine if being a second rate promotion is the goal and not competing with WWE. While they might in fact be the 2nd place in Sports Entertainment, no fear.. they'll easily be the #1 Professional Wrestling Company... After all, that spots been void since 2001 when WCW went bankrupt due to corporate merger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 11:01:17 GMT -5
AEW has the potential, but I feel they keep falling flat on their face in many aspects.
Which is a shame.
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 13, 2020 11:12:19 GMT -5
AEW has the potential, but I feel they keep falling flat on their face in many aspects. Which is a shame. Care to provide any examples of these instances when AEW have "fallen flat on their face?"
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Post by jking1979 on Aug 13, 2020 19:42:26 GMT -5
They will be fine if being a second rate promotion is the goal and not competing with WWE. While they might in fact be the 2nd place in Sports Entertainment, no fear.. they'll easily be the #1 Professional Wrestling Company... After all, that spots been void since 2001 when WCW went bankrupt due to corporate merger. How can they be the #1 wrestling promotion when WWE is still around?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 19:43:49 GMT -5
While they might in fact be the 2nd place in Sports Entertainment, no fear.. they'll easily be the #1 Professional Wrestling Company... After all, that spots been void since 2001 when WCW went bankrupt due to corporate merger. How can they be the #1 wrestling promotion when WWE is still around? Vince isn't in the wrestling business, just ask him.
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 13, 2020 22:32:14 GMT -5
While they might in fact be the 2nd place in Sports Entertainment, no fear.. they'll easily be the #1 Professional Wrestling Company... After all, that spots been void since 2001 when WCW went bankrupt due to corporate merger. How can they be the #1 wrestling promotion when WWE is still around? Sports Entertainment is not Professional Wrestling. It's all spectacle, scripted from start to finish, in an effort to create "moments." WWE are the Harlem Globetrotters. Globetrotters play on a court with a basketball and there's a hoop, but they aren't exactly having a competitive "real" basketball game. Globetrotters are the name, each individual player hasn't been a "star" since the 80s/90s. WWE work in a ring, and they wear wrestling gear, but they aren't actually working towards heat, so a babyface can later prevail. WWE doesn't create stars, the company name is the STAR, since the 90s. Meanwhile, AEW are promoting Professional Wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 0:28:04 GMT -5
Whether Vince McMahon wants to admit it or not his company is pro wrestling. He fancies it as something that is comparable to movies and tv shows, but it really is just wrestling. He just doesn’t want to promote it as such because of the negative connotation. I’m not defending him in fact I can’t support his company because of that. I always knew TNA was never going to be competition to them because other than a small period in the mid 2000s, they were always wwe lite. They tried to out-sports entertainment wwe and failed miserably. I think AEW can compete with wwe one day and are kind of there now. Plus with how long wrestling matches have been on Dynamite, they’re the real total nonstop action.
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Post by jking1979 on Aug 15, 2020 10:44:51 GMT -5
WWE has been the #1 wrestling promotion for years. This is coming from a classic NWA fan.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 15, 2020 11:21:56 GMT -5
This has gone WAY off the rails
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 11:33:23 GMT -5
This has gone WAY off the rails Haha, given the history of this entire thread, was it ever really on the rails to begin with?
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 15, 2020 11:35:30 GMT -5
This has gone WAY off the rails Haha, given the history of this entire thread, was it ever really on the rails to begin with? no
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 18:58:31 GMT -5
I'll make an attempt to steer it back on topic...
I did not pay attention to wrestling for 15+ years, and hearing a company was offering sensory kits to fans got my attention, and I enjoyed a lot of what I saw. AEW made me care about wrestling again.
That said, and the pandemic does have a role in this, they seem to have gone off the rails with cohesion of stories, as well as focusing on the talent that brought them to the big stage, and I personally think they've spread the roster too thin.
Some of this is my personal preference, too.
I do not enjoy Moxley as the champion, because I enjoyed the chase a lot more. Just my personal preference, but some characters are suited to holding the title, some are suited to chasing. This is not a comment on Jon Moxley's talent, at all. I'm a fan. I just think Jericho was a much better champion, and more entertaining overall.
I don't enjoy Matt Hardy (I'm sure his presence is a huge benefit, though, backstage and in-ring) or the Dark Order (for the most part), and I'm sick of Brandi Rhodes getting more TV time than the actual talent that got me interested in AEW in the first place.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Aug 16, 2020 20:00:08 GMT -5
I gotta imagine all the covid stuff changed alot of storylines so I cant hate them for what they have done with what they have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:13:35 GMT -5
I'll make an attempt to steer it back on topic... I did not pay attention to wrestling for 15+ years, and hearing a company was offering sensory kits to fans got my attention, and I enjoyed a lot of what I saw. AEW made me care about wrestling again. That said, and the pandemic does have a role in this, they seem to have gone off the rails with cohesion of stories, as well as focusing on the talent that brought them to the big stage, and I personally think they've spread the roster too thin. Some of this is my personal preference, too. I do not enjoy Moxley as the champion, because I enjoyed the chase a lot more. Just my personal preference, but some characters are suited to holding the title, some are suited to chasing. This is not a comment on Jon Moxley's talent, at all. I'm a fan. I just think Jericho was a much better champion, and more entertaining overall. I don't enjoy Matt Hardy (I'm sure his presence is a huge benefit, though, backstage and in-ring) or the Dark Order (for the most part), and I'm sick of Brandi Rhodes getting more TV time than the actual talent that got me interested in AEW in the first place. I agree with the majority of what you said, but what storylines do you think are lacking cohesion? That's not meant to sound jerk ish I'm actually interested to know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:37:48 GMT -5
I'll make an attempt to steer it back on topic... I did not pay attention to wrestling for 15+ years, and hearing a company was offering sensory kits to fans got my attention, and I enjoyed a lot of what I saw. AEW made me care about wrestling again. That said, and the pandemic does have a role in this, they seem to have gone off the rails with cohesion of stories, as well as focusing on the talent that brought them to the big stage, and I personally think they've spread the roster too thin. Some of this is my personal preference, too. I do not enjoy Moxley as the champion, because I enjoyed the chase a lot more. Just my personal preference, but some characters are suited to holding the title, some are suited to chasing. This is not a comment on Jon Moxley's talent, at all. I'm a fan. I just think Jericho was a much better champion, and more entertaining overall. I don't enjoy Matt Hardy (I'm sure his presence is a huge benefit, though, backstage and in-ring) or the Dark Order (for the most part), and I'm sick of Brandi Rhodes getting more TV time than the actual talent that got me interested in AEW in the first place. I agree with the majority of what you said, but what storylines do you think are lacking cohesion? That's not meant to sound jerk ish I'm actually interested to know. Sure, but there are too many to touch on, I think. To begin, not every angle is touched upon every week, which is possible. ECW did a fine job of it for many years, producing video packages of a few minutes, highlighting angles with interviews from the talent. We should be hearing from everyone, every week, for the most part. What's Vicki doing for Nyla? How does SCU feel about Sky's loss? Those types of promos. I was a kid during that time, but it really helped me stay informed of everything, as sadly, ECW was my life into early adolescence, despite having to trade tapes across the country, as we didn't get ECW HCTV. There are also a lot of thrown-together and dropped storylines, or some that resume out-of nowhere. The best examples I can think of over the long-term are Penta/Daniels, and Brandi/everybody and everything. In the more recent times, Matt Hardy/Private Party, Moxley/Cage, Best Friends' title shot being postponed for no reason, FTR not hosting last week, Cody and Kenny working face and heel during different matches, and within different matches. There is much more, too, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment. As important as anything, to me, though, as a fan, is being able to see the NEW talent I learned about from AEW. The roster is too thin to have so much talent, especially replacing them with known-names. Overall, I still enjoy AEW, and look forward to Dynamite every week. I just feel they were really strong from Late-January through Revolution, and then were building toward some big things before the pandemic. That said, without an audience, it's probably hard to gauge what is working at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:45:08 GMT -5
That's gonna be tough to do with the size of their roster for sure. Which is part of why I think getting this second show on the road asap is important.
That said I don't think you can ever expect them to do their storytelling like that. They love to slow burn their stories, meaning you aren't going to hear about every story every week. Just because it hasn't been mentioned even in a few weeks doesn't mean it's done with. A recent example would be the cage/Darby feud which is far from over. If we want to look at a recent example with the elite and dark order, this has been a feud since the very beginning really.
If it's not your type of storytelling that's cool, but it's definitely not what I'd call a lack of cohesion personally. It's actually one of my favorite things about them. I love that the stories go slow and you have to really pay attention to catch the small things. You can find spots and go "oh sh** they hinted to that like three months ago!!". (Not that they're all three months exactly but you know..)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:54:51 GMT -5
That's gonna be tough to do with the size of their roster for sure. Which is part of why I think getting this second show on the road asap is important. That said I don't think you can ever expect them to do their storytelling like that. They love to slow burn their stories, meaning you aren't going to hear about every story every week. Just because it hasn't been mentioned even in a few weeks doesn't mean it's done with. A recent example would be the cage/Darby feud which is far from over. If we want to look at a recent example with the elite and dark order, this has been a feud since the very beginning really. If it's not your type of storytelling that's cool, but it's definitely not what I'd call a lack of cohesion personally. It's actually one of my favorite things about them. I love that the stories go slow and you have to really pay attention to catch the small things. You can find spots and go "oh sh** they hinted to that like three months ago!!". (Not that they're all three months exactly but you know..) I actually like their long-term storytelling, and the payoff at Revolution seemed to silence a lot of people who had been complaining. I'm old enough that all we had was long-term storytelling, and we rarely saw top-tier talent on TV. I'll counter by saying that space between when talent is seen is fine, so long as they leave you with a memorable exit. Cody not being on the Dynamite before Revolution, after that cage match, is a good example. The two best examples I can think of are the first Undertaker/Kane match, and the HHH/Batista match at WM. Both were slow burns, with the former taking six months before they even touched each other. I think they're doing a great job of this with Omega and Page, as they did with MJF and Cody.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 23:34:55 GMT -5
Fair points, I also saw you edited your last one to so I had a chance to reread it. With regards to the best friends thing specifically, they did kinda explain that one, winning #1 contender matches mean that you get the shot at the next ppv/major event. I remember before they explained that a bunch of us were super confused. Not that it makes your point invalid by any stretch, it's just a situation that will probably arise again but they did explain why.
Side note. Holy crap my phone is hilariously cruel. I use swipe to type, and sometimes the corrects can be weird. It decided when I tried to write specifically it thought I should write sissy instead. Good thing I proofread lol.
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