Jimmy Havoc, Sammy Guevara, and #SpeakingOut

to quote conrad, "i love you for that."

there isn’t really a need for an argument here. BWO and others can find the jokes acceptable in some contexts, others can find it heinous and not acceptable. either way, Sammy saying it on a podcast was a bad move and one that he needed to apologize for and did.

the rest is just opinion.

You mean like someone quoting someone else and interjecting their point while making accusations, and then when those accusations are responded to they try to ruin a thread and get it locked? 

If So, I agree.  

1. You don't have to be a comedian to tell jokes.



2. It's more like a 3 pointer. You obviously agree with me about Vince and the filth he has pushed as "entertainment.". rkmo is always in the Monday Night Raw threads. If ME supporting Sammy for saying 1 thing means I'm obtuse, how would you describe HIM for helping Vince earn those billion dollar TV deals by helping his ratings? Care to comment?



3. You agree with freedom of speech, unless you disagree with it. Then you just call people names.



4. And that's why threads get locked.

man...are you done? you completely derail the thread, like you have with political ones in the lounge, and post four times in a row but you think you know why threads get locked?

this forum sometimes. yeesh.

I posted 4 times in a row because I'm sitting here at my computer replying to quotes. Why is that an issue now? 

Bandalero You hit the head on a very big part of this.

I'm right in the middle of the millennial demographic (born '88) and it's been an interesting problem to watch evolve.  Most people around my age, we didn't document everything. We were still learning what the internet was. We were warned by our parents, teachers, etc, that what we put out there was permanent.  The problem was, it wasn't really. At that time.  People could have screen capped, etc, but that didn't really happen back then.  Sometimes people would save ICQ logs or Messenger logs, but even then, it wasn't really all that common.  Social Media was the big game changer.  Once you started having your actual identity directly connected through facebook, twitter, etc, everything changed. 

Sammy has already made amends in my book.  Even the suspension is still far too much to me. I don't really know what "sensitivity" training is supposed to be, but training in managing his social media and being careful online now that he's a huge star would be something he (and all the other young stars) should be getting anyways, even if he hadn't gotten caught. 

Man if I compare 22 year old me to 26 year old me, those are a significant 4 years for sure.  

At the end of the day, it's glass houses, throwing stones and all that jazz.  It's not defending a dumb joke, or saying boys will be boys. He got caught, he got punished, he apologized, likely got his head torn off by Sasha, and probably feels pretty bad about it. He'll learn, grow, and this is hardly the end of the world its being made out to be in some areas.  I don't think it's like saying boys will be boys to be understanding that with youth comes stupidity.  Shock humor is lame and stupid, and I've never really found it funny (more because it's just not that clever, not that I'm all that offended by it), but it's hardly the equivalent of an actual crime. 

Maybe it's the fact that I've spent a bunch of time working with underpriviledged and marginalized youth, but I'm pretty used to giving people the benefit of the doubt and allowing them to grow, rather than resorting to punishment, shame, and vilifying.  

if that is true, it was done purely to destroy a guy's career and not support the #SpeakingOut movement. Who's the real scumbag here?

Outside they are different. Inside, same same.