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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 12, 2019 14:16:01 GMT -5
It means they didn't wrestle in other major promotions after WWE and have been around since the New Generation days. I have alot of respect for them all. Well in that case you can't have Lawler (left WWE and wrestled for WWA? in 2001 and Memphis more recently), Bob Holly (wrestled on TNA once) & Bob Backlund (was in TNA for several years). I wouldn't count Yokozuna or Owen Hart either as who knows what would have happened to them. It's just odd that you include certain wrestlers who have had seriously long breaks before returning to the company, like Tatanka. People wouldn't necessarily think what you're saying right off the bat. What I do respect is like you how long many of them have been around and still appear in some capacity. I'd include Matt and Jeff and Edge (and somehwat Christian) in that regards since they have been around for so long and still wrestle or at least appear.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 5, 2019 14:21:54 GMT -5
Edge started using the spear as part of E&C I believe. Didn't start using it as a finish until around 05/06. He started with the Flatliner, I think. Edge has used the following for finishers: Flatliner Spear Edgecution Impaler DDT His signature moves included the Edge-O-Matic (reverse sit-out facebuster) and the Edgeucator leg lock (sideways sharpshooter). Wasn't his original finisher the electric chair? My vote goes with Big Show Chokeslam / Showstopper W.M.D - Weapon of Mass Destruction Final Cut (Spinning headlock elbow drop) Hog Log (spinning headlock legdrop) Big Sleep Spear Colossal Clutch Stinkface Thrust Kick Big Boot Gorilla Press Dropkick Headbutt Sidewalk Slam Alley Oop F5 "Frying Pan" chop Many of those weren't used to end matches though. If that were the case, many wrestlers could say a roll up/small package etc were their finishers too.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 2, 2019 16:01:46 GMT -5
It's also something we see more common in recent years. There seems to be a go-to list of what I call "jobber finishers" given to guys when they first come up or need refreshing. These moves include but aren't limited to: Downward Spiral/Flatliner/Paydirt/Li'l Jimmy Overdrive leg neckbreaker This list used to be longer but I'm struggling to think. There are more. Yeah like alot of divas either use the bulldog or DDT... Just too common. Also totally forgot about Jericho! Could even say he used the Enzuigiri for a little while as a finisher too.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 30, 2019 15:52:55 GMT -5
Simple as that. Who had the most finishing moves in their tenure as a wrestler? First that comes to mind is Test.
Test had: - Pumphandle Slam - Diving Elbow Drop - Test Neckbreaker (so called in smackdown 2? Actually a fireman's carry to a spin-out front falling facebuster) - Big Boot - Test Drive (Rolling cutter) - TKO
That's 6 right there.
Others that come to mind:
Albert/Tensai/A-Train etc...
- Baldo Bomb/Derailer (Two handed chokebomb) - Bicycle Kick - Spinning Rack Pancake (Argentine neckbreaker) - Train Wreck (Argentine backbreaker) - Tensai Claw (with STO)
Undertaker: - Tombstone - Chokeslam - Last Ride - Takin' Care of Business (Dragon sleeper used 2002-3) - Hell's Gate
Any others that comes to mind?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 29, 2019 6:04:06 GMT -5
Also, is there any songs you’d have loved to have seen a wrestler use? I'm not saying I would prefer that wrestlers use these, but I could see some of these pulled off: Big Boss Man - I Fought the Law by The Clash or Police Truck maybe? Billy Gunn - Fat Bottomed Girls by Queen Bret Hart - Livin on a Prayer by Bon Jovi Henry O Godwin - A song by Primus. Maybe My Name is Mud as a Heel and Wynona's Big Brown Beaver as a babyface...maybe? JYD - Pump It Up by Elvis Costello (Or Another One Bites the Dust which he used outside of WWF) Mickie James - Super Freak by Rick James of She Drive Me Crazy by FYC Razor Ramon - Those Shoes by Eagles (I think his entrance was based on this song anyways) Rick Rude - Da Ya Think I'm Sexy? By Rod Stewart Sherri Martel - Simply Irresistible by Robert Palmer Ted Dibiase - Money by Pink Floyd Trish Stratus - Nasty Boys by Janet Jackson or (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones Undertaker - Cemetery Gates by Pantera Vader - Bottom Feeder by COC or Raining Blood by Slayer I would have really enjoyed seeing Henry O using a Primus song. It just seems to fit. If we were going by song titles befitting characters, most of those - sure. But the actual songs themselves do not fit them whatsoever. Other songs that aren't so on the nose in terms of titles but work for tone are better.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 23, 2019 11:40:04 GMT -5
At least they never made another Jacqueline!
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 20, 2019 7:12:27 GMT -5
Sorry but you're dreaming if you think Tazz would feud with the top stars. He'd have been lower-mid card for the rest of his years which honestly I could have seen him doing until maybe 2004-5. Like Tommy Dreamer. Then maybe a resurgence thanks to the reunion shows. But not much else.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 8, 2019 5:14:01 GMT -5
I always thought he used "Born to be Wild" by Steppenwolf. Yes he did. Back in Black was Candido's theme. What was the name of the theme Cactus Jack used in wwe? Whole Lotta Groove (I think). Also used as a backing track for tv shows and certain adult movies...
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 29, 2019 12:02:54 GMT -5
I always thought that Triple H should have framed Test as the driver who ran over Austin (Triple H was at the wheel, but both had long blond hair and a goatee), plus Trips wanted Stephanie so it made sense for him to try to in storyline "bury" Test.
That would get him more sympathy and then get propelled a bit higher up the card after the T&A tag run.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 29, 2019 11:51:51 GMT -5
I seriously don't know why we get this debate at all, let alone twice or so a year.
Yes on accomplishments, no for the crimes he committed. Simple as that.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 29, 2019 11:50:41 GMT -5
Apparently Austin's theme (the one we all know by Jim Johnston) was inspired by Bulls on Parade by Rage Against the Machine. If you think purely about the opening guitar riff, it's not a million miles away in tone.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 22, 2019 15:33:33 GMT -5
Can anyone compare EG Goldberg to Ringmaster Austin or anyone with the same legs? Or better yet, swap them over and show? Thank you.
I feel like my Goldberg needs thicker legs, even Triple H style in Goldberg's skin colour would be good. I dunno who has those legs in that colour though
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 12, 2019 9:35:40 GMT -5
Anyone got any head ideas for Danny Devito? I'm thinking of making The Trashman from Its always sunny in Philadelphia, can't land on a suitable head though... Check out oldschool_customs on instagram, he made one a few weeks ago
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 12, 2019 6:42:43 GMT -5
Just got EG Goldberg, feel like he's too skinny. Anybody made any mods to his arms/legs? Feel the need to make him bulkier?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 4, 2019 17:08:37 GMT -5
I guess you could include Babu in that as well, being Singh's servant.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 20, 2019 11:09:57 GMT -5
Yep totally agree with the retooling or creation of a new line would have been too expensive. Jakks simply was not a large enough company to make a new line and the budget wouldn't have been there for a new line. We'd have got a similar amount of reuse with body types as we did anyway, except figures would have made a massive loss to them because the costs for tooling were getting expensive in 2009-onwards. They probably made a small profit until series 5 which saw details missing, figures being reduced/cancelled and the line dwindled. Then they were probably losing money repeatedly and just saw out their contract until 2013. Sad to think they basically only lasted a year since DI 4 came out in December 2010.
Another interesting point is the reason their initial 4 series having more detail than the rest of the line (apart from here and there) was because they saved money during 2009 when they put no effort into the WWE figures being released, skimping on details to save paint and budget. They pumped it all into the TNA figures. Meaning they had a larger budget. Smart.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 19, 2019 10:35:44 GMT -5
Like tnamarveljakks says - nothing to do with Deluxe style, wish people would stop clinging to that fallacy. Jakks used that line because the RETAILERS asked them to in order to compete with the popular elite Mattel figs. This has been reported repeatedly.
It wasn't because collectors of RA refused to buy them. That is a small portion of the potential buyers. It was the mass audience. People fail repeatedly to realise they the collectors aren't the centre of attention for lines released at retail. It's kids and parents that make up the mass of sales. Hence why they used Sting, Angle and Hardy repeatedly. Just like Mattel uses Reigns, Orton, Hardy, Rollins..... but WWE is way more recognisable and has more stars to pad things out. Simple as that. TNA had less households watching and therefore less people recognising stars.
Jakks sales were dwindling so you noticed the quality after series 4 dipped considerably. They Jakks'd it after that and put less effort into the line, only to see out their contract.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 7, 2019 10:06:35 GMT -5
Careful - mentioning NXT and current stuff as comparisons may get you told off on here! Anyway, yep totally agree, loving how stars like Samoa Joe, AJ, Ricochet are treated as legit stars on the main roster and other stars even better on NXT. Things would have been so much better back in the early 2000s if Vince didn't have such an ego and buried many of them. Bubba Ray once said that Vince likes to strip away wrestlers from other promotions down to their cores and see if they can get over again. That may be true, but he should have just let many be themselves and work with what they had whilst developing additional skills to compensate what they lacked. He did with say Van Dam, but Jericho was weirdly treated in the first few months of his 1999 run and then organically got so over. Man, so disappointed how badly Tazz was wasted. Tazz could have been used so much better but he got lost in the shuffle. Vince was ALL ABOUT Taz….then he got the Radicalz unexpectedly & Taz was forgotten about....then there was the situation with Awesome jumping ship to WCW and Taz going back there to beat him etc etc. that midcard scene was absolutely jam packed at the time...but yeah he still should have been treated better. No way I thought Vince couldn't get behind that 5'4 dwarf (quoted) haha. In the land of the giants he would look unbelievable I heard people say. I think he definitely could have worked if he was booked like in ECW as a killer. You see legit shorter tough guys in the real world, and he still had enough weight to him to choke his opponents out and suplex them, he was legit believable. He could have been huge.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 6, 2019 6:19:10 GMT -5
Look at how NXT books the top indy wrestlers for a lesson how to best handle stars from other companies. Forget that they were once "working for the enemy", give them good storylines, let them show what they can do in matches, and if they get over then continue to push them. Look what it's done for Adam Cole and how it's elevated Fish and O'Reilly - who could have very easily been relegated to mid card tag team purgatory because they are undersized. NXT certainly handled Impact wrestlers far better than the main roster. Bobby Roode, EC3, Eric Young, and others were actually over in NXT but on the main roster they've all been less than meh. Looking back at the early 2000s, it was obvious from the start that the WCW stars were getting the second class treatment when they came to WWE. I don't think WCW fans expected the WCW guys to run the table on Austin, the Rock, Undertaker, and so on but it would have been nice if they managed a few victories here and there to get some respect. Even worse was the way WWE stars were shoehorned into and made the top guys for the "invading forces", like when Austin was made the leader of the ECW faction and certified badass Taz was relegated to kissing his ass. Careful - mentioning NXT and current stuff as comparisons may get you told off on here! Anyway, yep totally agree, loving how stars like Samoa Joe, AJ, Ricochet are treated as legit stars on the main roster and other stars even better on NXT. Things would have been so much better back in the early 2000s if Vince didn't have such an ego and buried many of them. Bubba Ray once said that Vince likes to strip away wrestlers from other promotions down to their cores and see if they can get over again. That may be true, but he should have just let many be themselves and work with what they had whilst developing additional skills to compensate what they lacked. He did with say Van Dam, but Jericho was weirdly treated in the first few months of his 1999 run and then organically got so over. Man, so disappointed how badly Tazz was wasted.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jun 28, 2019 14:14:20 GMT -5
Very telling thanks for posting.
Have a question though - when did this match against the Rock in Miami happen? Sounds like early 2004 from the timing of it. I thought the Rock was barely wrestling apart from Wrestlemania and maybe a couple other things with Evolution back then.
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