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Post by TheXtremisT on May 14, 2020 13:49:49 GMT -5
Edge/Christian or Big Show weren't compatible with the Smackdown stage but Regal was? So strange.
Would also count X-Pac, APA, Test and Albert as ones who should have been with their theme music on that stage.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 30, 2020 10:12:11 GMT -5
Love stats and research, fellow nerd here.
Surprised at the inflation being appropriate, I really thought it was such small increments every year.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 29, 2020 17:50:44 GMT -5
Wow dude that is some extensive research. Great effort, appreciated.
Really does sum it up well. I agree with Cordless, looking back I think R3 could have flourished instead of RA if managed better.
Wondering what the price points were vs TTLs. I remember in the UK BCAs were around £4.99 each. And RAs I know for a fact were £5.99. But cannot remember how much TTLs or R3s were. Interested in knowing how or when the increase came about.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 28, 2020 4:22:46 GMT -5
Really baffling how they reused some strange looking parts. Like Austin's torso was specifically based on when he stands on the 2nd turnbuckle with his arms up, resulting in a stretched torso and compressed shoulder blades. But in a vanilla pose, it looked like he was puffing his chest out. Truthfully the scans were ahead of their time, looked way better than RA (which today look cartoony), but the lack of bicep articulation was annoying to me compared to RA. In fairness, the arms had the same articulation as TTL's...so it was just business as usual. However, the shoulder joints didn't move with the same dexterity as TTL's...but they did cross over in the front which made it a lot easier to do a lot of moves. Yeah they were a bit stiffer. When R3s came in and I hated those then. Too skinny and weird looking compared to TTLs. But cos i could get new wrestlers, I bought Chuck, Maven and Kevin Nash. But now I like the look of R3s and think they had something special. With a couple of tweaks (more diverse parts, bicep swivels, no missing details and more wrestler choices) - they could have survived until at least 2005 when they could have introduced DA but more appropriate scale and similar sized parts to R3s. They would have resembled Mattel Elites I reckon. I would love to hear the story of why Jakks decided to scrap them and go for RA, being the 2nd reboot line in 2 years. I know it was because of the poor reception but I'd love to hear from someone in the know (eg ex-employee).
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 27, 2020 3:36:22 GMT -5
I heard and since experienced this same issue with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from the early 90s and Star Wars Phantom Menace figures from 1999.
It does definitely seem to be a combination of: type of plastic, lack of air and age to the figures that causes it.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 27, 2020 3:30:33 GMT -5
Really baffling how they reused some strange looking parts.
Like Austin's torso was specifically based on when he stands on the 2nd turnbuckle with his arms up, resulting in a stretched torso and compressed shoulder blades. But in a vanilla pose, it looked like he was puffing his chest out.
Truthfully the scans were ahead of their time, looked way better than RA (which today look cartoony), but the lack of bicep articulation was annoying to me compared to RA.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 23, 2020 6:12:01 GMT -5
I don't get why people would think Ric Flair was the one who died. Mean Gene specifically said it was a "45 year old former HEAVYWEIGHT champion", when in fact it was a former AWA Tag Team champion. So he led them to believe it was someone who fit that description, of which there aren't t hat many. Plus it was before everyone had the internet and became a smark.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 30, 2020 2:57:16 GMT -5
He probably would have ended up in a wheelchair for life like Droz did. Yeah, no question. He might also have suffered serious brain damage and had really poor quality of life. I'm not really sure I understand the point of this thread to be honest, it's just bumming me out. It was meant to be if the accident didn't happen but I thought it was too late to change it, people already commented on it. It can be interpreted as what you're saying but that wasn't the point of the post, that's why I had the text to accompany that. It made more sense to me to say if he was still alive.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 25, 2020 19:39:49 GMT -5
I heard Bret say Owen wanted to become a primary school teacher and was looking to get out of his contract in 2000. I still think he would have stuck around in the WWF until 2000. And to answer your notion rateddal about me saying survived, that's up to you to take it like that. But I think I was pretty clear in my OP about what it meant. It can be interpreted both ways.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 25, 2020 15:20:45 GMT -5
This has probably been asked before or done to death, but I can't remember seeing it.
What do you think Owen would have done in the WWF if he didn't fall?
Was he supposed to win the Intercontinental Championship against the Godfather?
I believe he would have continued as the Blue Blazer in mini feuds until Summerslam 1999, then would be back as Owen Hart, as a face. I think he would have been perfect to feud with Jericho early in his WWF run, instead of Shamrock. But I don't think he'd be portrayed as a strong opponent for Jericho. I think he would have always been outwitted by him for weeks, get a win and give Y2J his comeuppance, but ultimately lose the feud and put Jericho over. I think Y2J would own him in promos, and Owen would have been booked relatively weakly.
He wasn't given much of a chance to be an upper midcard after early 1998 and was not given the opportunity to shine; Vince lost faith in his ability as a character and he wouldn't be able to deliver any meaningful promos against Jericho. Which is sad to say as he was awesome in late 1997 coming back after the Screwjob and fighting DX (even though he was fed to HHH and made to look weak....).
I then believe he would feud with Kurt Angle for 2 straight ppvs, January-February 2000. He'd put Angle over, continuing Angle's undefeated streak, putting on great matches but with no meaningful story and only given timeslots of under 10 mins meaning it was just a wasted opportunity for 2 incredible wrestlers to sell a feud.
Then he would have nothing at Wrestlemania, lose vs Benoit once on Raw, appear a couple of times from April-May for Heat and then get quietly released.
I seriously think since 1998 he lost his place in the WWF and had the incident not happened, nothing significant would have been done with him.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 10, 2020 16:34:26 GMT -5
Yep Goldberg had a small metal rod in his wrist/sleeve and when he walked up to do the limo spot, he dropped it by accident and you could hear it. It was shown on an episode of Botchamania and you could see him hesitate for a second, contemplating picking it up but that would look strange - the audience wouldn't know what he was doing as he was being followed and filmed by a camera. So he carried on and decided to use his hands/fists....
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 10, 2020 16:24:18 GMT -5
History wouldve changed more if his wife didnt tell him to drink his tea. Really in one of those, only in pro wrestling, stories, one of the biggest names in history, can link part of his success to tea and a real life mafia hit man. William Shatner?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 10, 2020 13:58:11 GMT -5
I still remember him teaming with Sonny Siaki in TNA as Ekmo. So random.
Also - he started talking briefly before he left WWE in 2009 after feuding with CM Punk. Anyone remember that?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jan 9, 2020 14:10:04 GMT -5
lol your wrong on torture rack i used that alot on my buddies when we wrestled hardcore (real). that crap cranks your whole body in half at the neck/back/groin. wish i was there with ya to put ya in it and show ya same with fig four, that crap hurs. and turning over does reverse the pain to the guy originally giving it, lol. boston crab/sharp shooters will break your back to. my friends used to try to even say nonoe of that pro wrestling crap and those wierd moves, lol. Interesting. I will probably never get in a situation where someone could rack me but I will take your word for it. Figure FOur is weird. I've put that on someone and they said it didn't hurt. You could say I put it on wrong but I copied Flair. And those guys from Fight Perfect on youtube tried the reversal to see if the pressure is reversed and they said it was mildly uncomfortable but wasn't anything you'd tap from.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jan 6, 2020 13:26:31 GMT -5
Basically which finishers after seeing them would make you think "there's no way that hurt/hurt that much". (And not unbelievable like it takes a lot of effort/choreography to pull off - like the Canadian Destroyer).
So for example - we all know the People's Elbow is completely ridiculous. But one for me was always Luger's Torture Rack. Sure, Some guys sold it like a boss but I never thought it was devastating and would really hurt. It's basically an exaggerated fireman's carry with a very slight crank every second or so. How could it hurt enough to give up. Surely the Bearhug is more believable. Or even the Worm (chop to the throat).
Suspension of disbelief aside, alot of old school finishers look bad nowadays cos they're regular moves now. But alot of them are still believable that they could hurt someone. The Torture Rack? Not in my opinion.
What are yours?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Nov 26, 2019 16:52:25 GMT -5
Edge was the star. I was one of few who loved the 2006 DX reunion. That was the DX I grew up on. Rated RKO and John Cena. King Booker got a well earned run, and some fan matches all throughout the year. Not my favorite year. I didn't really care much for SmackDown, besides seeing Booker and Batista. On Raw I only really cared for what was going on with Edge/Cena/Orton and DX. Plus Jeff Hardy came back which was insane and they made him look like a star. He was so over that they put the Intercontinental title on him within a month?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 19, 2019 6:12:37 GMT -5
Scott Steiner definitely had a lot.
Steiner Flatliner Steiner Screwdriver Steiner Recliner Frankensteiner Backflip body press Reverse DDT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 19, 2019 6:11:10 GMT -5
I missed alot of their run due to not having a way to watch WWF back when they were teaming. I haven't got around to seeing them through old shows on the Network either. I have seen "some" matches on YT or whatever. But I haven't really seen them be what they're hyped up to be (one of the greatest tag teams of all time). Most of the references to that were actually DURING the Attitude Era, which sounds a bit premature to say.
They definitely had a good dynamic, but what made them so great compared to others. I'm asking about in ring work only. Their chemistry outside of the ring was undeniable, but other teams have had that too (eg Booker and Goldust). I think it comes down to frequent tags and working together well as a team with double moves. But you see that with the Road Warriors and the Dudleyz anyway. What made NAO up there with them?
And one of the best teams of all time or overrated?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 19, 2019 6:05:59 GMT -5
I've just been watching some Smackdown matches from late 1999-early 2000 and after listening to the crowd and watching the reaction when the camera pans them, it just doesn't add up.
In today's wrestling I definitely always notice how the pops aren't as loud and sustained as they were in the Attitude Era and for years after, although they diwndled quickly. This could definitely be due to the popularity of the wrestlers themsevles and wrestling as a whole in the AE and just that era had more vocal fans. I do notice that on Raws from the AE. But the pops are way too loud and long for the reaction shots from the crowd.
The initial pop for when wrestlers come out is obvious, but the cheers seem to last too long. These reactions are not the same as the Network's for when they dub over a guy's theme and pipe in cheers, those are definitely too obviously fake. But they are somewhat similar in how long they last.
Any thoughts?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 12, 2019 14:20:20 GMT -5
I remember hearing something on here, I think from JokerFC about The Rock wanted to return in 2005 after being away for a year, and it would have been around WM 21. But Triple H somehow got in the way of him renegotiating his contract? Or it run down and there was no offer, or no offer The Rock liked. Something to do with Triple H's politics? That pissed The Rock off for a while and that's why we didn't see him properly return until 2011. Although he did that video/satellite thing at the 2007 HoF? Did I get that right? Just interesting to me...
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