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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Jun 17, 2016 7:10:33 GMT -5
if mattel thinks straight rereleases will make them money more power to them. wont be my money as the stuff i need probably wont be rereleased.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 17, 2016 7:19:52 GMT -5
I get that but people collecting Legends/Flashbacks are lifelong wrestling fans. None of the Legends were hard to find. Not a single one. Not even L6 Warrior. Whether you were collecting at the time or not, if you were a wrestling fan and visited the toy section of any Walmart, TRU, target, big lots, etc you would've noticed these figures and passed. People want what they can't have. That is why these figures are desired. Once they hit the shelves again, we'll see how many people pass on them again. Or maybe they were lifelong wrestling fans who didn't collect toys or go into toy stores/toy aisles back then...but now have children and just discovered the WWE lines. Or they were just kids whose parents wouldn't buy them figure back then who now have a job and can buy them themselves. There are plenty of reasons why someone might not have known or collected figures until just recently. And whatever the reason is, they missed out. That is what happens in collecting when you're late to the game or hesitant to buy something. Wrestling figures aren't the only things I collect. There are plenty of items I wish I had in those collections that for various reasons I do not own. I do not sit and pine for them to be re-released. If I truly want them then I will purchase it from someone in the secondary market if I feel the price is fair.
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Post by HeyChicoItsRazor on Jun 17, 2016 7:27:49 GMT -5
Love re-releases. Papa Shango re-release & a Rick "The Model" Martel... Come on MDT ;-)
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Post by PJ on Jun 17, 2016 7:56:55 GMT -5
Or maybe they were lifelong wrestling fans who didn't collect toys or go into toy stores/toy aisles back then...but now have children and just discovered the WWE lines. Or they were just kids whose parents wouldn't buy them figure back then who now have a job and can buy them themselves. There are plenty of reasons why someone might not have known or collected figures until just recently. And whatever the reason is, they missed out. That is what happens in collecting when you're late to the game or hesitant to buy something. Wrestling figures aren't the only things I collect. There are plenty of items I wish I had in those collections that for various reasons I do not own. I do not sit and pine for them to be re-released. If I truly want them then I will purchase it from someone in the secondary market if I feel the price is fair. I collect many things and everything was either preordered or purchased at retail. I don't believe in or follow the secondary market. Never have and never will. The only people this would hurt are the people who buy the stuff just to try and make a profit on it down the road and I have zero sympathy for them. Again I have all these figures they are rereleasing already and am fine with Mattel releasing them again for those who have missed out. They deserve to be able to have them in their collection as well without being price gouged. Honestly the only figure I can see (or understand) people being upset about the rerelease was the SDCC exclusive. Even though the only difference was the rerelease had pupils I can see how for people who went to SDCC could feel upset because they spent all that money to go to SDCC only to have their special Con exclusive released at mass retail. But even then it is in a different package and has eye so it shouldn't effect the specialness of the SDCC. I am a collector and I personally don't care if Mattel rereleases every figure in my collection.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 17, 2016 8:29:12 GMT -5
And whatever the reason is, they missed out. That is what happens in collecting when you're late to the game or hesitant to buy something. Wrestling figures aren't the only things I collect. There are plenty of items I wish I had in those collections that for various reasons I do not own. I do not sit and pine for them to be re-released. If I truly want them then I will purchase it from someone in the secondary market if I feel the price is fair. I collect many things and everything was either preordered or purchased at retail. I don't believe in or follow the secondary market. Never have and never will. The only people this would hurt are the people who buy the stuff just to try and make a profit on it down the road and I have zero sympathy for them. Again I have all these figures they are rereleasing already and am fine with Mattel releasing them again for those who have missed out. They deserve to be able to have them in their collection as well without being price gouged. Honestly the only figure I can see (or understand) people being upset about the rerelease was the SDCC exclusive. Even though the only difference was the rerelease had pupils I can see how for people who went to SDCC could feel upset because they spent all that money to go to SDCC only to have their special Con exclusive released at mass retail. But even then it is in a different package and has eye so it shouldn't effect the specialness of the SDCC. I am a collector and I personally don't care if Mattel rereleases every figure in my collection. Secondary market is essential for collecting. There's a difference between the scalper who buys up all the local inventory and puts them on ebay at a high mark up vs the collector/local shop who prices their product at the current market value. How are collector's of classic vinyl going to acquire their desired albums without a local record shop or online dealers? Where are comic collectors getting books they have missed out on without their local shop? Those who desire classic video games, toys from their childhood, etc only have the secondary market to rely on for these purchases.
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Post by PJ on Jun 17, 2016 9:41:54 GMT -5
I collect many things and everything was either preordered or purchased at retail. I don't believe in or follow the secondary market. Never have and never will. The only people this would hurt are the people who buy the stuff just to try and make a profit on it down the road and I have zero sympathy for them. Again I have all these figures they are rereleasing already and am fine with Mattel releasing them again for those who have missed out. They deserve to be able to have them in their collection as well without being price gouged. Honestly the only figure I can see (or understand) people being upset about the rerelease was the SDCC exclusive. Even though the only difference was the rerelease had pupils I can see how for people who went to SDCC could feel upset because they spent all that money to go to SDCC only to have their special Con exclusive released at mass retail. But even then it is in a different package and has eye so it shouldn't effect the specialness of the SDCC. I am a collector and I personally don't care if Mattel rereleases every figure in my collection. Secondary market is essential for collecting. There's a difference between the scalper who buys up all the local inventory and puts them on ebay at a high mark up vs the collector/local shop who prices their product at the current market value. How are collector's of classic vinyl going to acquire their desired albums without a local record shop or online dealers? Where are comic collectors getting books they have missed out on without their local shop? Those who desire classic video games, toys from their childhood, etc only have the secondary market to rely on for these purchases. Sorry I don't consider local Comic shops or record stores secondary market they are retailers. Unless they are places like T0yW1Z who have a store and get their product from he manufacturer but also go to all the local retailers buy up all their stock. In which case they don't get my business. Then you also have garage sales and flea markets which I guess could be considered the secondary market.
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Post by slamtyro on Jun 17, 2016 9:42:04 GMT -5
Well, looking at the way mixed emotions are running with this upcoming elite legends line, i guess we can literally use the catch phrase "Here comes the pain" (pun intended). LOL.
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Post by brick on Jun 17, 2016 11:35:35 GMT -5
Most people who support reissues do so because THEY missed out on certain figures. In other words, they do so out of selfish reasons. But for some reason, only the people against reissues get hit with the "selfish" and "self-entitled" labels.
It seems hypocritical. Both positions are usually rooted in selfish rationale.
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Post by brick on Jun 17, 2016 11:40:09 GMT -5
Secondary market is essential for collecting. There's a difference between the scalper who buys up all the local inventory and puts them on ebay at a high mark up vs the collector/local shop who prices their product at the current market value. How are collector's of classic vinyl going to acquire their desired albums without a local record shop or online dealers? Where are comic collectors getting books they have missed out on without their local shop? Those who desire classic video games, toys from their childhood, etc only have the secondary market to rely on for these purchases. Sorry I don't consider local Comic shops or record stores secondary market they are retailers. Unless they are places like T0yW1Z who have a store and get their product from he manufacturer but also go to all the local retailers buy up all their stock. In which case they don't get my business. Then you also have garage sales and flea markets which I guess could be considered the secondary market. I don't know what comic shops are like around your area, but around here, you can usually expect to pay auction site prices or MORE on key back issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:01:59 GMT -5
Nice warped logic there man, equating people who want a second opportunity to purchase a figure they missed out on when it was first released as being selfish. I am in favour of re-releases NOT only because I missed out on certain figures BUT also for everyone else who missed out on them as well. The world doesn't revolve around the USA, international collectors don't enjoy the widespread distribution you Americans do, why shouldn't we who live in other countries not have another opportunity to purchase popular figures that weren't available to us the first time for whatever reason?!
How about we put the shoe on the other foot- in my view those who are against re-releases are those who are only in this for $$ and believe re-releases will devalue their collection. To this I have two things to say:
1- These are mass-produced toys not limited edition collectibles, they are never going to be valuable IMO Perhaps if you were talking about the McFarlane statues that were produced a few years back then yes I can see those having some value attached to them.
2- These figures are only worth what someone else is willing to pay for them, nothing more, nothing less. If you think a certain figure is worth $100 but no one is willing to pay you $100 then its not worth that amount.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what any of us thinks, Mattel is the one calling the shots and if they believe that re-releasing certain popular figs will bring them money then they will re-release them. From a business standpoint I think its a great idea and very smart because realistically how many figures can you release of any one guy before it gets redundant?! Instead of releasing figure #100 or #500 of Stone Cold, Cena, Triple H, Rock, etc., why not re-release a popular figure of that guy that is now hard to find and sells for a lot on the secondary market. I don't see Mattel continuing on past the end of the current contract (2019) as by then they will have released tons of figures of the popular wrestlers as well as many other guys- what will be left to release?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 15:03:36 GMT -5
Most people who support reissues do so because THEY missed out on certain figures. In other words, they do so out of selfish reasons. But for some reason, only the people against reissues get hit with the "selfish" and "self-entitled" labels. It seems hypocritical. Both positions are usually rooted in selfish rationale. I dont think you know what selfish means
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 15:04:55 GMT -5
Collect to have fun, not thinking this will be worth thousands one day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 15:08:30 GMT -5
Most people who support reissues do so because THEY missed out on certain figures. In other words, they do so out of selfish reasons. I didn't start collecting until the end of 2013, and I don't enjoy paying inflated prices on the secondary market. I'm willing to bet that a large percentage of those that are in favor of these reissues face a similar reason. Mind if I borrow your Delorian Doc Brown so I can go back in time and not be considered selfish and buy the figures the first time?
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Post by crush on Jun 17, 2016 16:34:04 GMT -5
I collect many things and everything was either preordered or purchased at retail. I don't believe in or follow the secondary market. Never have and never will. The only people this would hurt are the people who buy the stuff just to try and make a profit on it down the road and I have zero sympathy for them. Again I have all these figures they are rereleasing already and am fine with Mattel releasing them again for those who have missed out. They deserve to be able to have them in their collection as well without being price gouged. Honestly the only figure I can see (or understand) people being upset about the rerelease was the SDCC exclusive. Even though the only difference was the rerelease had pupils I can see how for people who went to SDCC could feel upset because they spent all that money to go to SDCC only to have their special Con exclusive released at mass retail. But even then it is in a different package and has eye so it shouldn't effect the specialness of the SDCC. I am a collector and I personally don't care if Mattel rereleases every figure in my collection. Secondary market is essential for collecting. There's a difference between the scalper who buys up all the local inventory and puts them on ebay at a high mark up vs the collector/local shop who prices their product at the current market value. How are collector's of classic vinyl going to acquire their desired albums without a local record shop or online dealers? Where are comic collectors getting books they have missed out on without their local shop? Those who desire classic video games, toys from their childhood, etc only have the secondary market to rely on for these purchases. Comics are reprinted all the time, vinyls get new pressings, etc. if anything it usually makes the original print runs more valuable, which is probably what will happen here.
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Post by iamkrang on Jun 17, 2016 16:59:40 GMT -5
I'm cool with re-releases.
I can see why some are not. I'm stoked to pick up a few figures I missed out on now for retail pricing however I think it would be just as cool if the re-releases were different deco.
I'm not into collecting for any re-sell purposes so i don't really care how many times it's being re-released. If you have the original MOC it'll hold its value in the long run down the road. ( See TMNT original artwork MOC vs the re released and future runs with different carding )
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Post by brick on Jun 17, 2016 17:44:59 GMT -5
Mind if I borrow your Delorian Doc Brown so I can go back in time and not be considered selfish and buy the figures the first time? I would, but it needs some repairs, and I don't have spare cash lying around. I'd sell my collection to pay for it, but it's worth considerably less than it was a year ago.
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Post by brick on Jun 17, 2016 17:47:45 GMT -5
Secondary market is essential for collecting. There's a difference between the scalper who buys up all the local inventory and puts them on ebay at a high mark up vs the collector/local shop who prices their product at the current market value. How are collector's of classic vinyl going to acquire their desired albums without a local record shop or online dealers? Where are comic collectors getting books they have missed out on without their local shop? Those who desire classic video games, toys from their childhood, etc only have the secondary market to rely on for these purchases. Comics are reprinted all the time, vinyls get new pressings, etc. if anything it usually makes the original print runs more valuable, which is probably what will happen here. With those, there's an easy way to tell if you have the original or a reprint. Assuming these figures are straight reissues, the first run figures will be indistinguishable from the reissues unless they're packaged.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 17, 2016 17:57:35 GMT -5
No issues with rerelasing figures. Mattel is a toy company. How valuable a figure is irrelevant to Mattel. That figure is still worth the same amount of money it originally put into it when it was created.
I would like to see some of the figures that have become harder to find or more in demand. I dont want to see rereleases of ANY Cena. Common figures like that will just clog shelves even more. But E19 HBK is a good figure to do this with.
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Jun 17, 2016 18:01:38 GMT -5
Is it genius on Mattel's part? Yes. Do I like it personally? No! It's a waste of space that could be used to further the line. Mattel is making history by producing NXT figures which many of us called "impossible" when Mattel first started. Now they are taking away good slots for First in the Line figures for re releases. Do I'm kind of split on them though. It's both good for collectors and also a slap in the face. So it's positive in way that if you missed out (an can pay outrageous prices) you can now own the figures. But it's a HUGE slap in the face to collectors who have gone the secondary market an paid out the butt for figures. Sometimes I got to flea markets and drop $100 on two figures lol. Is that my fault? Of coarse. But it's not fair that they re release without saying "hey it's our intent to come out with the figure again someday." In all, I'm totally against re releases. Especially since this figure line hasn't been around for long. Re releases should be for toy lines decades old. Not when they are still very mass produced and fairly easy to find on the secondary market. It's a waste. Not sure I'd call it "genius" in part because it seems like there hasn't been a strong connection between a figure that goes for a lot on the secondary market and its popularity at retail after getting reissued/slightly retooled. - Horsemen set: BOMB. Still warming at half off. That set included two figures (Tully and Arn) that "lots" of people supposedly desperately wanted in their collection. And hey, even a first time in the line with Windham. It was a barebones set for sure, but the cost of the set at retail was fair for what you were getting. - DM Taker: BOMB. Amazon shuffled them out at $12 a piece just months after the release. Stores around here did some clearance on them. Those that didn't still have a ton of the shelves. I've only seen DM Austin at Toys R Us because the Undertaker DM is still full price at places like Walmart. - Spotlight Boss Man: Looking like a BOMB. Only Elite 41 Dean is warming harder at Toys R Us. Compare that to the Network Hunter Hearst-Helmsley, which has moved along quickly with each restock. I'm not totally against re-releases, but I think if Mattel is thinking they're gonna print money with reissues of "valuable" secondary market figures, well, the history shows that doesn't always work out that way. In short, I'll bet we're up to our arms in Kamalas and Sorta-Blue-But-Not-Purple Undertakers before this is all said and done. I don't really care either way about re-releases. I do, however, agree with this post. Every figure that has been re-released has been a huge shelf warmer. Every Walmart in my area is flooded with DM Taker and my local TRU has 2 full pegs of Bossman. I don't see this changing either, as most of the announced re-releases warmed hard the first time around.
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Post by customania on Jun 17, 2016 18:09:53 GMT -5
Meh, the new orange warrior, Austin DM and Taker DM were great but Elite Bossman, Elite 19 HBK and Taker don't need re releases, there's so much more they could do especially when they don't edit the figure in any way, it's just lazy. I'm in a different position as others as I've been with the line from the start so I was collecting when these figures first came out, but others missed out but I think it's still Mattel being lazy as the retail is dearer than the originals retail price.
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