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Post by TheXtremisT on Jan 23, 2021 5:43:57 GMT -5
Been watching 1998 Raws on the Network, and historically Mike Tyson was a huge draw for them. It all worked out and created a lot of buzz. Did what they intended.
But I just feel he was too much of a "fanboy" and acted like he was so happy to be there, rather than act like a badass or the baddest man on the planet that he was supposed to be. He didn't look like his nickname. I would have preferred him to be angry, mean and cocky rather than just laughing and smiling.
Anyone else feel this?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jan 1, 2021 8:24:39 GMT -5
Also the Zombie was the then modern day version of Gobbeldy Gooker. Vince probably had big plans for him only to be told last minute how stupid it was so Sandman caned him. The guy who played Zombie (who sadly passed pretty young) got a good year or two run doing autograph conventions out of his few minutes of fame. On markedout's website he became a meme for when users were comparing autograph costs of other guests to that of Zombie. Apparently because ECW was on Syfy, the "science fiction" channel, they asked that ECW have some sort of supernatural element on every show. WWE/Vince came up with the zombie first, and were planning on doing an alien next, and also make Bob Holly an astronaut....
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Post by TheXtremisT on Dec 3, 2020 13:33:23 GMT -5
If RVD ever gets under a deal again, this is the one that I want the most. I made this attire a few years back. I could probably do it better again, but got lots of other RVD attires on my list to tackle first.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Dec 2, 2020 8:50:43 GMT -5
Here’s to hoping the new Network documentary is a sign that he and the company are willing to work together again. I would take any RVD, though the aforementioned tiger stripe one would be the most likely first choice, since it works as both an ECW flashback and a 2001-2002 WWF/E version. Not heard of that documentary, is it specifically about RVD?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Dec 1, 2020 18:40:32 GMT -5
His contract with Impact just ended like a month ago. It will be some time before we see anymore RVD figures in the line. It's more to do with their Legends deal and that gives Mattel the rights to make that character/wrestler. I'm not sure if signing with another wrestling company instantly nullifies the contract, but obviously Mattel weren't going to make his figure whilst being in Impact. However, I wonder if his Legends deal might still be valid, which could speed the process up for a figure. Just pure BS from my side but speaking optimistically. As long as it comes eventually, I'd be happy. It was actually almost three years back when Flashback Elite Series 2 and 3 had yet to be confirmed. I want to say by mid-January 2018 we knew of the placeholder names, but that was all. Just a bunch of random names that would come up on Brickseek. Wow no way? Can't believe it was that long ago, I could have put money on it being back in mid 2019.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Dec 1, 2020 17:40:08 GMT -5
Please excuse me if there is such a thing, but I couldn't find a rumour discussion thread on the pinned threads.
I remember back last year or so, there were "leaked" or rumoured lists of upcoming figures. The type you see from future store inventory.
Being from last year, I think some of those figures rumoured have come to fruition or are about to. I remember British Bulldog was on one list.
But I remember seeing Rob Van Dam's name on a list too. I've not seen any prototypes being shown, so I don't think he's still in contention. But was there any more information on this or was it massive speculation?
I know he has been in Impact Wrestling for the past 2 years or so, and that may be the reason he was scrapped (if he was planned), but Bill M said last year or the yea before that he was still under a Legends deal and was fair game for a figure. He mentioned the only attire he'd consider was his 2001 ECW/WWF Invasion/2002 KOTR tiger stripe attire.
I was really hoping this would have been it, but guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Nov 14, 2020 16:41:41 GMT -5
I just can't believe this guy: 1. Wasn't African American, because he was so tanned it looked like he had some cast to him. Plus his hair also fit in with that notion. and 2. This was the same guy who appeared on the first ever TNA ppv as a Scott Steiner rip-off, using his real surname as "Del Rios"
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Post by TheXtremisT on Nov 4, 2020 17:32:20 GMT -5
Most of mine come from being a kid at the time where everything was too big for my little kayfabe-believing mind.
- The Radicalz debuting in the WWF. Took me over a week to get my head around it, couldn't believe they were literally just on WCW before and that they could be on the top rival's show just after. Being an adult now I'd be like WTF?! but wouldn't be as mind blowing.
- The Outsiders and Bret Hart attacking Goldberg with baseball bats in late 1999. I legit thought they'd killed Goldberg because they were obliterating him.
- Vince/Shane buying out WCW
Also later on things like Taker losing to Brock. I thought it was a great surprise. I do like swerves.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 24, 2020 12:25:58 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if that was gonna happen. The European Title was in limbo the entire reign of Matt Hardy. I remember Matt having that Backlash match with Christian and Eddie in the 3 way dance for the European Title and that's the only real memory I have of Matt's title reign. I am sure Eddie Guerrero was meant to win it back, maybe even as soon as King of the Ring. I’ve always wondered if that lackluster Euro Title reign is what soured Vince on Matt as a singles star. Not that it was Matt’s fault as the WWE just didn’t care about the Euro Title by that point, but I always found it strange that outside of a Cruiserweight Title run in 2003, Matt didn’t hold another major singles title until 2008. He didn’t move merch like his brother but Matt was still pretty over from 2002-2008. I remember reading one of the dirtsheets back in 2007 onwards, and remember several times them saying that (possibly according to Meltzer?), Vince wanted Matt as a singles star which is why he had him doing double duty in 2007, wrestling week-to week on both shows, one time with Jeff on Raw and the other as a singles star on Smackdown. It was said Vince was the one behind his push at the time and thought highly of Matt's work. Then in 2008 we saw him with the US and ECW title which confirms that. Shame we didn't see Matt get a big push in 2005 after his firing/rehiring as they really wasted that potential. The crowd had cooled off on him and he was a solid member of the roster but was moreso a lower-midcard guy during this time. They built him up vs MVP well, but still it felt too forced. He just didn't click I feel. They stalled his momentum in 2009 by turning him heel after months of doing nothing following his ECW run. He just seemed to be too comfortable in the lower midcard and any attempt to elevate him just felt flat. A shame. On topic - they didn't know what to do with Eddie in 2001 and they forced him into this story. Luckily in 2002 he came back all guns blazing.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 22, 2020 7:22:16 GMT -5
I LMAO'd at that swerve. Wow. Never would have guessed, still can't believe it based on looks. Amazing
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 12, 2020 6:50:54 GMT -5
Putting this here as I didn't think this was specific to any wrestling brand and is a general question:
For moves where a wrestler sits out or lands on their tailbone - how does it not really hurt their tailbone? For example giving a move (leg drops, Stone Cold Stunner, sidewalk slam, sit-out facebuster....) or taking a move (Bubba Bomb....).
Do you get to a point where it becomes hardened to the impact so that it doesn't hurt that much, or their legs/glutes absorb it and you need enough muscles to cushion the impact?
I've hurt my tailbone even landing grass, or on crash mats during gym at school or doing martial arts. That's an inch to an inch and a half of padded foam onto concrete or wooden floors. A wrestling ring might not be so solid on the wood side, but there's way less padding and it must hurt.
I just cringe when I see top rope leg drops.
Anyone who's gone through wrestling training and competed in matches could share their experiences?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 10, 2020 6:01:36 GMT -5
I have watched every Nitro in 1997 and am currently at Feb 1998, and he is over like rover.
In the middle of 1997 he had the crowd pumped for him taking on the NWO with the Giant, would always come out to a big pop and his promos were actually quite good. He got the crowd behind him and eager to see him defeat his opponents. The Torture Rack got the same level of pop that the Diamond Cutter did.
When he won the WCW title off Hogan on Nitro in Aug 1997, it was the height of his popularity. He was on top of the company as the biggest babyface, with Sting waiting in the background. Losing it 6 days later at Road Wild was baffling. Luger said that it was Bischoff trying to keep the NWO hot and Luger was better chasing. But Bischoff never liked Luger. Never saw anything in him. He never even sniffed the title again in WCW.
Because of this, his momentum cooled down a lot, and he slipped down the card a little. He was beating mid-card guys, in the NWO and WCW, never got any promo time and got a more muted reaction from the crowd. But once they put him in a feud with Bagwell, before then moving onto Macho Man - he was given more opportunity to shine and the crowd was back to being fully behind him and he had big pops again.
But after that, he was lost in the shuffle. The focus of the show shifted to Savage vs Hogan, Hogan vs celebrities, Nash ending Goldberg's streak and being the leader of the NWO... oh no wait it was in fact Hogan.
Luger just didn't fit in. This was 100% not the fault of Lex. He had the crowd support him, he sold feuds, he could give good enough promos. But it was Bischoff and co just not caring about him.
He got less crowd reaction because management didn't give Luger enough opportunity to make the crowd care. They felt there was nothing left to do with him. They may have been right, he was getting older - but so was Nash, Hall, DDP, Flair, Hogan and Savage. There was your problem. He was always waaaaaay down on that list of prioritising guys.
The last attempt to salvage him was to emulate his narcissist gimmick and make him a heel who loved himself too much. Becoming the Total Package just gave him enough to be a solid worker and put others over.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 10, 2020 5:48:57 GMT -5
I was watching a video on Mike Adamle's mistakes, one being when he said "Jeff Harvey....Hardy". Then the video showed that Jeff once wrestled as Jeff Harvey. The graphic on that footage showed his billed height and weight as below, and to think how skinny he is here as a 16 year old being billed as 232lbs (a weight he wasn't even billed at when he was at his heaviest) - is laughable.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 4, 2020 5:36:18 GMT -5
HHH had a complete stranglehold on creative in 2002. Nobody else was even in consideration for the Raw belt.... I get the criticism for Triple H's abuse of power and selfishness from 2000-2006, but curious as to how you think they could have gone on without him as the top heel working the main event? Triple H definitely did hold on to his spots too much. Oversaturation for sure. He had real go-away heat. But he was so far and above any other top heel, that no one else could touch him. He was reliable and a credible threat. Booking-wise it made sense but not for the amount of time he was on top. But who else did they really have that could have morphed into the top heel role from 2003-2005? - Jericho should have been built up more and kept hot following his Undisputed title reign, but management/Triple H didn't see it in him. - Kane quickly fizzled out after 2003, but they would have had to keep him strong, a dominant force and dispicable heel like he was towards Shane and JR. But could he have carried the brand as the main heel? - Steiner "could" have worked as a loose cannon like he was in WCW in 2000-01, but in WWE they would never have let him flourish. Plus his drop foot and being out of shape meant he had it against him. - Nash was injury-prone, unreliable and his days in the main event were over. No one wanted to see him up there on the card. - Flair could have gone back to the glory days as a mega star and heel but they didn't want a 51 year old man in the title picture anymore - Orton and Batista weren't ready yet and Batista as a heel wouldn't work at the time, he'd have needed Flair as a mouthpiece. He was much better chasing the belt as a face - Booker T was too over as a face and his heel run in 2001 was not all that great - HBK was also too over as a face until he turned it up in 2005 and knocked it out of the park. But he never wanted to be the top guy with a belt. - Christian wasn't anywhere near the main event - Goldberg just didn't work either way in WWE It's clear they had a problem with the heels on the brand. Look at the years prior - 1997 you had Bret and Shawn as the top heels. But they were only on top for a few months before direction changed. - 1998 we saw HBK, Vince, The Rock, Undertaker and Kane carry the main event as heels. - 1999 had The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H. - 2000 had less main event heels, mostly Triple H and later on Kurt Angle, with a few in the peripherals like in 2003/4/5 - 2001 had Stone Cold, Triple H, Booker T, Jericho - 2002 had Jericho, Undertaker, Triple H (taking away Lesnar because of the brand split, and focusing only on Raw for comparison for later years). And then 2003, 2004 and 2005 had who? Triple H. I literally could not count Kane (1 ppv alongside Triple H) or Orton (1ppv against Benoit) as they were only 1 month each and fleeting. Literally 1 man carried the brand as the top heel, whereas all those other years you had at least 2 or 3. Really does speak volumes.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 4, 2020 5:16:57 GMT -5
I don't think he would have derailed anything for those other guys. I think they would have had him up there with Eddie and Benoit, but could see them having him team with Benoit a year early, possibly leading to a turn and feud like in 2004.
Edge was awesome in 2004 as a tweener and his heel work was outstanding in 2005. He was a fun babyface but a natural heel. The foundations for his main event run would have to be made as a top babyface, but turn as a heel. Which is basically what they did.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 4, 2020 5:13:29 GMT -5
I was never exposed to seeing Surfer Sting, and I don't know if I want to watch tv from back then (no patience). But I could tell he would have been one of my favourites, as a kid or adult back then and I kind of wish I didn't love crow Sting so much because it's skewed my preferences and I don't appreciate surfer Sting for how good he supposedly was back then.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 30, 2020 3:32:33 GMT -5
I too was also outraged that he lost it 2 days after winning it. Orton being Orton, went on twitter and told everyone to shut up and calm down, and that maybe this was all part of a larger story that would lead to something better.
Did it? Still waiting on that....
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 29, 2020 12:27:12 GMT -5
Just the Hardys 2 pack and Jeff vs RVD were actually based on late 2010 I believe.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 29, 2020 12:26:04 GMT -5
I ran into this problem - Had a bin of RAs in storage for maybe 8-10 years - took them out a few weekends ago and almost every arm or leg joint is loose I know for sure back when I played with them, they weren't that loose TTLs all held up though. The reason is the engineering in how the arms were inserted into the sockets. TTLs I believe had more plastic in the torso surrounding the arm plugs. RAs only had a socket with 2 thin sections housing the disc-shaped plug on either side in the torso. If one would break (hard, brittle plastic), it would become loose and prone to falling out. It was extremely cheap and resulted in a lot of arms breaking or loosening over time, through light play for me. Not even being rough with them. They were such a joke.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 28, 2020 17:33:31 GMT -5
At one point Kevin Nash was listed as like 356 pounds. I get hes a tall guy with a fairly massive upper body, but his lower body was skinny as hell. I can see him reaching 300 pounds but never around 356 (especially considering Sid was billed at like 310 and he was way more massive than Nash). Yeah I remember on the back of a WCW Toybiz 2 pack I got, it has Nash's weight as 350lbs or so. Even being 10 years old I was like "yeah right " Here's Nash's skinny legs:
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